“Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS!

[Harris]

I not know. You?

*snerk*

I look at time in two different ways. One religious and second standard.

Religious view:
Allah is the creator of everything (including space). He regulates all events and actions in the universe. He determines to what extent His created beings would exist. In other words, He allocate age to every being. His creatures are time dependent, but He is not. Allah’s activities is time for His created beings. He is time Himself.

“Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).”
Al Baqarah (2)
-Verse 255-
Quran


Standard view:
Aging + Relative motions = Human sense of Time

Please also check my response to Pickup_shonuff below

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Causality as I understand it cannot be without time.

That's the dirty little secret none of them seem to notice or care about.

Everything in the universe has a Local frame of causality that means everything in the universe is reliant on the laws that run the universe. However, the cause (whatever it maybe) that prompted Big Bang, transcends the scope of universe.

Causality without time within the scope of universe is not possible but what about the causality that originated the universe. Is there any reason to believe that before Big Bang time exist in similar way how we perceive it today?

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What a pile of gish-gallop.

I'll just break it down to the basics.

1.If x, then y.

2.Therefore, if x, then not y.

3. Myriad of bullshit gish-gallop.

4. QED: This couple of Quran verse are true.

Lolwut?

When to an evolutionist a genuine scientific evidence is presented as a fact against evolution, almost immediately he moved away from the scientific material and jumped into the areas of philosophy, theology, the worldview, etc. He just start throwing lots of smoke and name-calling and get people even not to listen to the message of science by essentially criticising the messenger.

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That's the dirty little secret none of them seem to notice or care about.

Don't you guys know? God exists outside of time, which means he never changes, never moves a finger, never acts in a way that was not already part of the immutable process. But also, and this is key, he can be petitioned to intervene within time! Isn't that comforting!? But how does that work, one might ask?

Well, unfortunately, human logic, which both God and theists are immune too, only offers rebuttals to the idea. So only God knows.

Remove the process of aging and you will get an active and fully energetic person who will live without having any limits of time.

Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.
Ali Imran (3)
-Verse 2-
Quran

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Theists call their beliefs 'logical'. In that same spirit, North Korea calls itself a "democratic republic".

And atheist thinks everything is popping out of nothingness and without any cause

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Why are first cause threads always started by people with zero reps?

Probably naive teenagers just hearing WL Craig's "Kalam" argument for the first time.

Kalam is logical argument for naïve teenagers as well as for old professional boys.