(May 30, 2014 at 3:59 pm)Harris Wrote: I look at time in two different ways. One religious and second standard.
Religious view:
Allah is the creator of everything (including space). He regulates all events and actions in the universe. He determines to what extent His created beings would exist. In other words, He allocate age to every being. His creatures are time dependent, but He is not. Allah’s activities is time for His created beings. He is time Himself.
“Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).”
Al Baqarah (2)
-Verse 255-
Quran
Standard view:
Aging + Relative motions = Human sense of Time
Please also check my response to Pickup_shonuff below
In other words, you're playing fast and loose with the definition of "time" in order to disguise the fact that your claim is not scientifically nor philosophically sound.
(May 30, 2014 at 3:59 pm)Harris Wrote: Everything in the universe has a Local frame of causality that means everything in the universe is reliant on the laws that run the universe. However, the cause (whatever it maybe) that prompted Big Bang, transcends the scope of universe.
Yes, everything in the universe has a local frame of causality, which is the universe itself. You have no reference point, i.e. no local frame of causality, that is relative to the universe to describe it in terms that we can understand and apply to every day life.
You're attempting to say that the first cause must have existed previously to the Big Bang, but we are talking about a quantum state completely absent of time where these macroscopic principles you're trying to use do not apply.
(May 30, 2014 at 3:59 pm)Harris Wrote: Causality without time within the scope of universe is not possible but what about the causality that originated the universe. Is there any reason to believe that before Big Bang time exist in similar way how we perceive it today?
There is no reason to believe that causality is a valid principle when time does not exist.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
