Why Jesus is not the messiah.

[Creed of Heresy]

Rambam said regarding the messiah, "there shall rise up one of whom none have known before, and signs and wonders which they shall see performed by him will be the proofs of his true origin."

Signs and wonders that we haven't seen before except for the plagiarized myths of Babylonia, Macedonia, Egypt, etc. etc...

This is contrary to your point that "According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities."

And yet...he was Jewish and didn't believe Jesus was the messiah...

...You don't see an issue with the guy who wrote this and knew of Jesus and all his stuff not believing Jesus was the messiah despite writing that?



There still lies the problem that there is a bunch of the other messianic prophecies that Jesus did not fulfill. You didn't address any of those.

"Jewish sources" have conflicting views on the messiah. When you go to sites that are writing against Christianity, you only hear one side.

Now, as for your quotation, bravo, you can quote the old testament. Pity you don't know "context," huh?

And as for yours, bravo, you can C&P from Jewish sites which present one side of Jewish thought in an attempt to refute Christian interpretation.

That's the thing, though, I'm only using those sites for quick reference. I've gone over this before years ago, and I admit, it's been about as long since I read through the bible again. I'm not exactly equipped to quote passages by heart. But needless to say, I've heard the Christian arguments before, and they just don't address some of the most glaring issues. The lack of historian acknowledgement of Jesus' existence doesn't help matters much, especially given how long after his supposed death the gospels were written. We THINK it was like 40 years after the supposed event or something like that...which is more than enough time to go back and say "Oh yeah, the leader of our little cult fulfilled all these prophecies about how he would die and rise again!" That's another thing, how the fuck did none of the historians at the time fail to mention the dude who died and came back to life? It seems to me like the gospel writers didn't take into account the silence of historians for future generations, or thought nobody would think to inquire about that later on. So it's possible (to be generous), or rather, highly likely (to be honest) that Jesus didn't fulfill any of the messianic prophecies, if he existed at all, honestly.

IF HE DID, however, there is a huge amount of skepticism that is worth sending the way of the whole ordeal. The timing of the scripture's initial distribution, the various missing fulfillments of the prophecies, the clear covering of the writers' asses by making up some bullshit "second coming" thing to excuse the fact that their messiah failed to bring the golden age around, or failed to do anything beyond getting nailed to a T-stick and inspiring the bloodiest, most aggressive religion in history to arise to grand prominence (nowadays being overshadowed in that regard by islam). Good goin', Chrissy boy; peace, love, and putting your family members to the sword and inciting violence against anyone who doesn't accept him... What a great message. Truly.

Gotta be honest, John. I really, truly do not understand the appeal of what you believe in. I really cannot fathom who in their right mind would call themselves a Christian and then call their values and beliefs "good." I just. I just can't. I once thought I could and then I realized what it was I was adhering to. You'll have to try to explain what the appeal is to me. Cuz...I just don't. I just I don't! I don't. That's all I've got is I just...I don't.