New Athiest Needs Help

[ThomM]

I read this I know it's Bull But Could you refute it?
Thanks.

If you know science there is no such thing as infinite... If I have an infinite number of Dollars and I subtract 5 is there still an inifite amount or is it infinite minus 5?

Astronomers and Cosmologists agree that the universe has a beginning and is not infinite in size.. As Aristotle said the infinite is potentialized never actualized

So since we have established that there is no such thing as infinite that means the universe had a beginning there are 4 logical answers for the beginning of the universe seen and unseen;

1) the universe was created via nothing
2) the universe created itself
3) the universe was created by something which was also created
4) the universe was created by something UNCREATED

The universe cannot be created via nothing because the definition of nothing means zip zero not an atom nothing.. Your mother cannot give birth to herself... Number 3 if the universe was created by something which was created than you are implying the universe seen and unseen has an infinite past and a logical fallacy and if you believe that you ignore science... That would mean the created creator would have had a created creator which would have had a created creator and so on... We know that infinite is an impossibility so there would have had to be an Originator... The One who begets not nor is begotten

Sorry - but that is NOT a complete list of the possible ways the Universe came to be - it is a religious creation.

The problem is that the 4 assume there was NOTHING when the Universe came to be - which is something claimed but NOT established.

In fact - it is just as possible that the Universe was created from something that has always existed - IE =- Energy -and through relativity Mass as well.

And then - of course - the problem still continues with the claim of a "creator" - what created it - was IT created out of nothing as well.

And of course - this fails to support religion - because the possible existence of a creator - fails to support a god of religion - and all the supernatural nonsense that this implies.

Even if a "creator" started the process of evolution that the Universe developed from - there is NO reason why the creator needed any power beyond the power to start evolution - and there is also no reason to expect that creator to still exist as well.