New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 10:06 pm
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(June 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm)Lek Wrote:(June 4, 2014 at 9:10 pm)Irrational Wrote: Well, I wonder if God (if he were to exist) must be limitless.If you say that the existence of a creator is unreasonable, then you are saying that a universe with no beginning is the only reasonable explanation for the existence of the universe.
Either way, because the possibility of an ultimate uncaused universe has not yet been reasonably ruled out, then the necessity of God's existence is not reasonable.
You theists always want to frame nontheistic arguments this way, to make a ridiculous conclusion appear less ridiculous.
Even when people correct you with Big Bang theory, you still go right back to "you said it must be logically eternal."
No, that's your side. Stop it.
(June 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm)Lek Wrote:(June 4, 2014 at 9:15 pm)Ksa Wrote: Beyond the edge of the universe, well, what's beyond the edge of a tree? Atmosphere...and then? Other trees. What's beyond the edge of our planet? Space...and then? Other planets. What's beyond the edge of our galaxy? Space...and then? Other galaxies.Sounds like you have no idea what's beyond the edge of the universe either. By the way, I think God is beyond the edge of the universe.
Coming to your question, what's beyond the edge of our universe? You give me the answer.
To help you, what's beyond the edge of an orgasm? A break. And beyond it? More orgasms. You see, everything in existence works the same. If you don't understand something big, look at something small. It works in the exact same way but you just can't calculate their properties the same, so no unified theory, but do you really need to? Why would a tree behave like a galaxy? It doesn't. Because a tree isn't a galaxy. So why would anyone try to apply the same equation for both. It is stupidity.
How does that make sense? The universe is inside God? What plane is God occupying? Transcendence does not make logical shrugs like this any less nonsensical.
An state prior to the universe causing expansion, or even an eternal Big Bang, Big Crunch" makes more sense than attempting to speculate what, if anything, lies beyond the universe.
"A cause," even an eternal cause or infinite chain of events does not = "The Christian God," and never will.
Furthermore, "events have causes the Big Bang was an event, therefore the Big Bang had a cause" does not come close to all of the logical gymnastics required to reach The Christian God.
