Rely on God

[Godscreated]

The idea that Christians do something better than secularists (for example, bake casseroles, sing better, organize more charities) in no way tells us that their god claims are true. This is a red herring, and it's one stinker of a fish.

Correct, but it does mean that there are things secular organizations could improve on.

Regardless, I'm still skeptical about what Godschild says based on the fact that they're claims based on self-reports mainly. And correlation is not equal to causation anyway.

I've personally seen the results of these two organizations, but most here believe me to be a liar so they want accept this. No one has ever shown I've ever lied to them though, funny how one can be called a liar without proof. The site I posted was by Teen Challenge but, the study was an independent one and if you go and look at the sites that criticize them and you will see that they show success rates much higher than the secular organizations. The biggest thing wrong with the secular organizations is money, they deal with insurance companies and with most if you do not have the money for the program you do not get in. The biggest grip I have with them is they have 30 to 90 day stays, not enough time, just not enough, addictions generally are years in the making and it takes time to battle time. Don't just doubt what I say, if you're interested in tearing down this organization do research, if you are interested in it's success do research.

GC