what are we supposed to say again when christians ask us where we get our morality?

[Rampant.A.I.]

Wow, Stadler Waldorf just can't stop Gish Galloping, can he?*

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It did cite primary research. You obviously have not viewed the footnotes.

Nope, you cited Wikipedia which is a tertiary source that disallows the citation of primary research. You need to read their user policy.

And you need to get your prescription checked if you can't see the sources at the footer of a Wikipedia article.

You are wrong, and cannot support that assertion, yet you keep throwing out there.

Have you not been reading this thread? Every atheistic attempt to define morality in a logically cogent and defensible manner fails horribly. That is support.

You can't support <God Exists,> and it is well supported morality is evolved social contract and evolved instinct. Notice the videos posted showing 3 month old babies can determine right from wrong. Evolution is demonstrable. God is not demonstrable.

You have failed at supporting your points more profoundly than your mother failed at raising an ethical child.

Lots of societies do not believe in the Christian God. Those societies also have moral codes. Are you really this ignorant, and proud of it too, wally?

You’re conflating belief with ontology. If I do not believe in the existence of gravity does that mean I can jump and never come down? If I do not believe in death does that mean I will never experience it? Whether or not someone believes god exists is irrelevant. God still has to exist in order for morality to exist.

Your Bible is your source of your morality, not God. Your only source of instructions from God is the bible. That's not conflating ontology with belief. That's pointing out your belief in something because it is written in a book. The only experience you have of your God, other than hallucinations you pretend are God, is from a book. If you explained Gravity as produced by a psychokenetic purple turtle floating in the Kupiter belt, your explanation of gravity would be wrong. Similar to your unsupported claims to morality. Your God didn't exist before 2000 years ago. Your belief does not conform to, nor does it dictate reality.

IF YOU CANNOT DEMONSTRATE YOUR GOD EXISTS, you can not begin to advance nor support the claim "Morality is from God."

You have written page after page of Argument from Ignorance, ignoring any counter-argument as "unsupported."

Here are claims you have asserted:
<God Exists>
<Objective Morality Exists>
<Evolutionary Psychology does not explain morality>
<Psychology does not explain morality>
<God is the only possible source of morality>
<God is the source of morality>
<Gods morality can contradict human morality yet still be the source of human morality>
<An omniscient being who commands rape, infanticide, and slavery can be a source of morality>
<The Bible is inspired by God>
You have utterly failed to support even one of these claims, and yet you feign concern about MY citations?

I am living proof that you're wrong.

No, you’re inability to logically define morality is some of the best evidence I have and for that I thank you.

I already have, repeatedly. Yet you're too willfully ignorant to consider the fact that morality is an evolved social mechanism. Demonstrable. Unlike your God.

Your morality includes the murder of children, rape of women, and keeping of slaves as moral. That's not morality, it's barbarism.

No it does not. If God does not exist why would murder, rape, and infanticide be morally wrong?

God commands murder, rape and infanticide. Have you not read The Bible? They are morally wrong because we have evolved to view them as morally wrong, because it is beneficial as a tribal animal to do so. If God were the only source of morality, we would not be able to see God's behavior in the Bible as immoral. I know this is hard for amoral individuals like you to understand.

You're a sick man, you know that?

Why? Because I value rationality more than you do? Then guilty as charged.

Because I don't need a cheat sheet for morality. You do. You can't grasp morality without a book listing things like: "Murder Is Wrong," in big, block letters.

Your bible was used to justify those acts.

As was Darwinism so your point is? Were those acts morally wrong if God does not exist?

"Social Darwinism" has absolutely nothing to do with Evolution. Google it. Educate yourself.

If Christians get their morality from God and The Bible, is that why they can't stop raping kids?

If God does not exist then why is raping children morally wrong? You really cannot answer these simple questions?

Because society agrees it is morally wrong, and our evolved conscience determines it is wrong. You keep repeating the same questions that have already been answered. Do you have some sort of learning disorder that prevents you from absorbing new information?

I know this because your Biblical morality does not prevent it, and you have stated morality can only come from God and the Bible.

No, that’s not what I said. The God of scripture must exist in order for morality to exist.

Prove it. You keep asserting this, but have yet to offer a single shred of evidence.

Isn't it time to stop, Wally? As a secular person, I'm begging you: Stop raping little children. You're scarring them for the rest of their lives. If you can't stop, you need secular help for your urges.

If God does not exist then why is raping children morally wrong? I thought morality was subjective. It’s hilarious you cannot answer such a simple question.

See above, try sounding out the words with your finger as a guide if you have trouble.

By the way, these page-long Gish gallops are really tiresome.

Then stop replying, it’s obvious you’ve been beaten for quite some time now Mr. IQ.

Duck! Goose! Swan! Excuse my fowl language.

*All of us are well aware this is your ultimate goal. You make fallacious claims you can't support, and you continue to make them until people get tired of replying to them, and then you dance around in your underpants thinking you've won a debate.

You haven't. You're simply delusional, and ranting at us to reinforce deep seated delusions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

No, I wasn't arguing that. I don't see how you have failed at understanding the point I was making. A very simple point, mind you. Or was this supposed cluelessness a tactic you just employed to run away from the point I was making?

Correct me if I am wrong but did you not say that Christian morality is subjective because they have to appeal to their reasoning? How does using logical discernment make something subjective? Or was that nothing more than rhetorical fluff?

I haven't seen one do that yet. Can you demonstrate to us what sort of killing objectively constitutes murder? Is slaughtering babies, for example, considered murder?

Sure, murder is any killing of another person that violates God’s decreed will.

How do you know God's Decreed Will? Because it's written in The Bible.

Thank you for proving my point: You get your morality from The Bible.

The bible. The bible is a claim, not evidence.