RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 6, 2014 at 6:59 pm
(This post was last modified: June 6, 2014 at 7:14 pm by ThomM.)
(June 4, 2014 at 10:42 am)Lek Wrote:(June 4, 2014 at 12:27 am)Irrational Wrote: Feel free to call it "supernatural" all you want. The point was that if an uncreated God is possible, then so should an uncreated universe.
So you agree that the answer could be a supernatural one.
YOU have not established that anything SUPERNATURAL exists
(June 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm)Lek Wrote:(June 4, 2014 at 9:10 pm)Irrational Wrote: Well, I wonder if God (if he were to exist) must be limitless.If you say that the existence of a creator is unreasonable, then you are saying that a universe with no beginning is the only reasonable explanation for the existence of the universe.
Either way, because the possibility of an ultimate uncaused universe has not yet been reasonably ruled out, then the necessity of God's existence is not reasonable.
(June 4, 2014 at 9:15 pm)Ksa Wrote: Beyond the edge of the universe, well, what's beyond the edge of a tree? Atmosphere...and then? Other trees. What's beyond the edge of our planet? Space...and then? Other planets. What's beyond the edge of our galaxy? Space...and then? Other galaxies.Sounds like you have no idea what's beyond the edge of the universe either. By the way, I think God is beyond the edge of the universe.
Coming to your question, what's beyond the edge of our universe? You give me the answer.
To help you, what's beyond the edge of an orgasm? A break. And beyond it? More orgasms. You see, everything in existence works the same. If you don't understand something big, look at something small. It works in the exact same way but you just can't calculate their properties the same, so no unified theory, but do you really need to? Why would a tree behave like a galaxy? It doesn't. Because a tree isn't a galaxy. So why would anyone try to apply the same equation for both. It is stupidity.
What YOU think is of no consequence unless you provide PROOF of your statement -
The problem is - you have NOT established the need for a "GOD" - rather than just a creator with ONLY the ability to set the process of evolution in motion - and that is the most basic flaw in the religious claim.
Even if a higher power was involved in the beginning of the Universe - and I am not saying one was - WHY would it have to be an ALL-EVERYTHING god of religion - when the event does would not imply the need for any additional powers?
And worse - there is no reason to believe the "creator" even needed to exist beyond the initial creation. Nor is there any support for the rest of the nonsense stories of religion - Adam and EVE - the Flood - Jericho - Parting of the Red Sea - etc - which are all fairy tales.
And then - there are THOUSANDS of claims of creation by different gods - singular or plural - which you cannot offer any reason to accept your claim over their.
A logical person - when confronted with the sheer number of conflicting claims of various religions - would first look at the claim and eliminate those whose story includes things that do not agree with known reality - and the bible contains enough of that to be a comic book - not of use.
