RE: Bible prophecies
June 19, 2014 at 5:38 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 5:39 pm by Brian37.)
(June 18, 2014 at 8:07 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: [quote='Irrational' pid='690005' dateline='1402977505']Did the generation He was speaking to witness the things He was speaking of? (Matt 24:29-34)
Context.
(June 16, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Irrational Wrote: Because it makes sense in light of the explanation that Jesus believed the kingdom of God was imminent and that once it came, there would no longer be death.I don't fully understand what you mean. If you don't mind I'd like a little further explanation here.
(June 17, 2014 at 1:25 am)Cinjin Wrote:
Nope. I'm saying that the generation Jesus was speaking to is not the generation He was speaking of. To fit your analogy to your argument, the crowd He'd be speaking to would be reflected by the content of the speech. In this case the content is defined as the characteristics of the fish He was describing (speckled green). So according to your argument the crowd would all have to be fish, and speckled green. To fit my argument He'd be speaking to a crowd about a fish and the crowd would not be reflected by the content of the speech (they wouldn't be fish, or speckled green). Your analogy actually supports my argument.
Furthermore, it happens all the time in normal conversation that the person we are speaking to is not the person we are speaking about.
(June 17, 2014 at 1:38 am)Jenny A Wrote: Because when people say "this generation" they mean their own generation or at the very most the people living at the time "this generation" is said.
I was having a conversation with a historian. He said to me: "In the Late Middle Ages (1340–1400) Europe experienced the most deadly disease outbreak in history when the Black Death, the infamous pandemic of bubonic plague, hit in 1347, killing a third of the human population. It is believed that this generation subsequently became more violent as the mass mortality rate cheapened life and thus increased warfare, crime, popular revolt, waves of flagellants, and persecution." (this is a fictional conversation used as an illustration, facts taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubonic_pl...t_outbreak)
Is the historian speaking of his generation as the one that experienced the Black death?
(June 18, 2014 at 9:44 am)ThomM Wrote: The christ also said that there would be some people in his audience that would not die before he would return in GLORY -To what scripture passage are you referring?
(June 18, 2014 at 9:44 am)ThomM Wrote: Certainly his claimed resurrection had not glory - it did not fulfill the messiah prophecies -
Is your position that because Christ did not fulfill all the messianic prophecies prior to His crucifixion His resurrection had not glory?
(June 18, 2014 at 9:44 am)ThomM Wrote: there is NOT a single mention of it in the historical record of that time - and such glory would be widely known and reported.Quote:I can think of at least four historical records of that time that mention it.
Where you speaking to a historian or an apologist. A historian merely repeats facts "this is what people believed" and doesn't try to sell it as true. An apologist sells myth as true.
"Jesus said" is meaningless. There is no such thing as an invisible sky hero who clones himself and gets a girl pregnant without a second set of DNA.
