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Bible prophecies
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RE: Bible prophecies
(June 18, 2014 at 8:13 pm)Beccs Wrote: And those are?
As Minimalist said, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John

(June 18, 2014 at 8:16 pm)Irrational Wrote: No, which is exactly why his prediction was a failure.
Jesus said that the 'this generation' that would witness 'these things' would not perish until all 'these things' are fulfilled. The generation he was speaking to did not witness the 'these things' he was speaking of. Why have you then concluded he was speaking of them?

Furthermore, a failed prediction would be a generation witnessing 'these things' and yet perishing before the 'these things' are fulfilled. Did this happen?
(June 18, 2014 at 8:16 pm)Irrational Wrote: Jesus preached that the kingdom of God was near, right?

Yes
(June 18, 2014 at 8:16 pm)Irrational Wrote: And once it came, do you think he believed any of his followers who were still alive then would have still tasted death even after the kingdom of God had come already?

We first have to establish what the kingdom is and when it came/is to come. Christ did believe that some of his followers would taste death (John 21:18-19).
(June 18, 2014 at 8:16 pm)Irrational Wrote: Isn't the whole kingdom of God thing about being immortal and no longer having to fear death?
Why do you think that?

Cinjin

As previously discussed, Matthew 24/Mark 13/Luke 21 is in response to the questions of the destruction of the temple and the end of the world. Matthew 16 is an explanation of the events of Christ's crucifixion and the coming of the kingdom.

You're assuming the coming of the kingdom is the end of the world. Why?
(June 19, 2014 at 1:01 am)Cinjin Wrote: Hebrews 1:1-2
“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers
by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…”
Yes we are living in the 'last days'.
(June 19, 2014 at 1:01 am)Cinjin Wrote: 1 Corinthians 10:11
“Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written
down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.”

Yes we are living in the time of the end of the ages.
(June 19, 2014 at 1:01 am)Cinjin Wrote: 1 John 2:18
“Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming,
so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.”
Yes, the Antichrist is coming.
(June 19, 2014 at 1:01 am)Cinjin Wrote: Revelation 22:6,7,10,12,20
“And he said to me, “These words are faithful and true”; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place. “And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book.” And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.“”…
Yes, His words are faithful and true, these things must soon take place, and He is coming quickly.
(June 19, 2014 at 1:01 am)Cinjin Wrote: Notice that Jesus didn’t say “that generation” – which would be the normal way of referring to a future generation. He said “this generation”.
He also didn't say 'our generation'. As has been shown, using the words 'this generation' does not necessitate He was speaking of His generation.
(June 19, 2014 at 1:01 am)Cinjin Wrote: Jesus said that some of his listeners (and the high priest at his trial) would still be alive to see his return to Earth.
His return to earth, or His resurrection?
(June 19, 2014 at 1:24 am)Jenny A Wrote: Obviously not as a historian he was talking about the generation living during the plague. But Jesus was talking in the present tense to the people right there in front of him.
The historian was speaking in present tense to the person right in front of him.
(June 19, 2014 at 1:24 am)Jenny A Wrote: Jesus was referring to this generation standing before him, not some future generation.

No, He was referring to the generation that would see the future events noted in Matthew 24:29-31/Mark13:24-27/Luke21:25-28. It is the future events that qualify 'this generation' not who Jesus was speaking to. Read Mathew 24:29-34 straight through.
(June 19, 2014 at 1:24 am)Jenny A Wrote: What you are saying is disingenuous. It's like Clinton and the definition of "is". Any ordinary reading of the Bible leads to the conclusion that Jesus meant his own generation. Everything else is a weird stretch.
Then why didn't He say 'my generation' or 'our generation', or 'your generation'? He said 'this generation'. I'm not seeking to define the word 'this' I'm seeking to qualify 'this generation'.

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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