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Bible prophecies
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RE: Bible prophecies
(June 23, 2014 at 9:40 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:
(June 23, 2014 at 4:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'm curious O/B. If you think your so-called god was such a poor communicator that he needs you to make up excuses for his fuck ups, why do you think he's a god?

Seems more like a hack PR man.
That's one possible perspective. There are two possibilities when there is misunderstanding: due to the communicator or the interpreter.

My perspective was never that God is a poor communicator.

(June 23, 2014 at 7:40 pm)Jenny A Wrote: There are many apologetics for the the fact that the Second Coming didn't happen within Jesus' generation. The Presbyterian line when I was growing up was that by the Second Coming or Kingdom of God referred to in the synoptic gospels was merely death and resurrection.

You have asserted that Jesus second coming is the same thing as the kingdom due to your theology that Matthew 24:34/Mark 13:30/Luke 21:32 = Matthew 16:28/Mark 9:1/Luke 8:27.

In Matthew 13 Jesus says:

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

How can the kingdom be at the end of the world when Christ says in Matthew 13:41 He shall send His angels to gather out of his kingdom? This implies that the kingdom has already been established prior to the second coming.

Also notice in verse 38 that the good seed are the "children of the kingdom" and the harvest is at the end of the world/second coming. Seeds are sown, the plants grow and then the harvest. Sowing seeds and harvesting plants are not simultaneous events, according to the explanation of the parable, neither are the kingdom and the second coming.

Where in that passage does it say the [physical] kingdom is set up before the glorious coming of the Son of Man?

Yes, many people in Jesus' days were already considered by Jesus to be people of the kingdom, but the physical kingdom had not yet appeared.

Also, it's a parable, so you should not take "sowing good seed" so literally. It may refer to the word of God as the seed, and word of God being heard and accepted by some people as the seed being sown.
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Bible prophecies - by Laza - June 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by ThePinsir - June 2, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Silver - June 2, 2014 at 2:41 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Faith No More - June 2, 2014 at 2:56 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 2, 2014 at 6:05 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by professor - June 2, 2014 at 7:06 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 2, 2014 at 10:07 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 3, 2014 at 3:22 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by The Valkyrie - June 3, 2014 at 6:53 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 4, 2014 at 2:01 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 5, 2014 at 3:11 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Godschild - June 5, 2014 at 9:45 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 17, 2014 at 1:12 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Silver - June 5, 2014 at 3:14 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Losty - June 3, 2014 at 3:40 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Godschild - June 2, 2014 at 11:17 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Laza - June 3, 2014 at 5:38 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by BlackMason - June 3, 2014 at 5:58 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Laza - June 3, 2014 at 6:06 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Faith No More - June 3, 2014 at 9:57 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by RobbyPants - June 4, 2014 at 11:52 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by vorlon13 - June 2, 2014 at 11:46 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 3, 2014 at 2:30 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 3, 2014 at 6:11 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 3, 2014 at 11:49 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 3, 2014 at 6:15 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 4, 2014 at 1:02 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 4, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 4, 2014 at 2:03 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 5, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 16, 2014 at 10:06 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 16, 2014 at 10:59 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Jenny A - June 16, 2014 at 11:02 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 16, 2014 at 11:54 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 18, 2014 at 8:07 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by The Valkyrie - June 18, 2014 at 8:13 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Brian37 - June 19, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 18, 2014 at 8:24 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 19, 2014 at 3:30 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Cinjin - June 19, 2014 at 9:16 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 22, 2014 at 2:16 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 22, 2014 at 10:44 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 23, 2014 at 11:02 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 22, 2014 at 2:59 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 22, 2014 at 11:37 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Tonus - June 23, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 23, 2014 at 1:12 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 23, 2014 at 3:25 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - June 23, 2014 at 4:24 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - June 23, 2014 at 9:40 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Grandizer - June 23, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - July 1, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 9:31 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - July 1, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - July 2, 2014 at 1:12 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Grandizer - July 2, 2014 at 4:11 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - July 3, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Grandizer - July 3, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by orangebox21 - July 4, 2014 at 11:30 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by ThomM - June 28, 2014 at 1:58 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Jenny A - June 23, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - July 1, 2014 at 12:48 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - July 2, 2014 at 2:09 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by The Valkyrie - July 2, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - July 7, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - July 2, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 2, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by The Grand Nudger - July 3, 2014 at 10:21 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Crossless1 - July 8, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2014 at 11:13 am
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RE: Bible prophecies - by The Grand Nudger - July 7, 2014 at 5:13 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - July 8, 2014 at 5:17 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Vicki Q - July 9, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2014 at 4:07 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - July 9, 2014 at 11:46 am
RE: Bible prophecies - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2014 at 12:46 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - July 9, 2014 at 4:53 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by Brian37 - July 10, 2014 at 5:37 pm
RE: Bible prophecies - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2014 at 4:53 pm
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RE: Bible prophecies - by Minimalist - July 9, 2014 at 5:08 pm
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