(May 11, 2010 at 9:39 pm)padraic Wrote:Quote:Anyone who knows me knows that I am an athiest. I've had more facebook debates with friends and relatives than I can remember,
It's 'atheist' and bragging is not attractive personality quality,even when about something praiseworthy. Being an atheist and having any debates on Facebook don't quite cut the mustard
Quote:I'm very abrasive when it comes to religion
Not just with religion.
Quote: I preach because it's my nature to be loud and aggressive.
Yet more unattractive qualities; Preaching is irritating and arrogant,and often an indicator of a closed, shallow and lazy mind. Aggression is the dominating trait of the bully.It indicates an indifference to the feelings and rights of others.
I don't know you,so don't know if you are simply an adolescent trying to impress or are really as obnoxious as your post suggests.
Hopefully,you'll mellow and improve. (OK,unfair, I haven't ) Learning how to use paragraphs would be start. At present, really can't be arsed wading through your walls of texts.
LOL. Yes I am that obnoxious, and it seperates people who can tolerate me from people whom I wouldn't want to bother with anyway, like yourself. However if you choose to correct my grammar and judge me based solely on my belief that one shouldn't be afraid to be who they are, then perhaps this conversation is pointless. You say that preaching is often an indicator of a shallow and lazy mind, perhaps you missed the debates part of my post. I am very arrogant, however, in that I am fully aware of my capability in regards to debate. I know i'm smarter than most people that I speak to.
If you're suggesting that I am an aggressive, obnoxioius prick, then I would say you are right. I am so because I choose to be, because it suits me, and it suits my purpose. I'm an adult now, I have plenty of friends, so I don't really care about who likes me or who I offend anymore. It isn't personal, in fact, in most cases it's impersonal, I hear something, or read something that makes me want to dismantle someone. Am I being preachy, yes, however I am in a better position to be preachy because unlike most theists, I know my shit. I can defend almost anything I say against anyone, I can defend political, theological, and existential positions against anyone. And I do believe i've earned the goddamn right to be brutish about it. I grew up pentecostal, I had this jesus mumbo jumbo forced upon me for a large portion of my lifetime. I watched some of the most vile human beings I knew hide everything they were behind a pulpit and a smile. I've seen the very worst of men disguise hatred, racism, and apathy as virtues of a believer. So I will at every time I feel appropriate viciously and vehemently defend my beliefs against anyone. I do not care about feelings, I do not care about being politically correct. Our society has become soft-skinned. Everyone is expected to walk on eggshells, you can't say this, can't do that, everyone lies to each other to avoid conflict or hurt feelings and honestly, it's reaching the level of absurdity.
So, while my views may not be shared by everyone, while everyone may not feel confident enough to stand up, I do. Some people have to walk within the gray so that idealists can keep their utopias. I'm fine with that, i'm comfortable with that. It isn't a requirement for disbeleivers, and honestly if you don't feel motivated to stand defiantly against both a government and society who holds archaic beliefs far too high, then you probably never will. If you feel like it's best to remain humble and meek, then perhaps you should stay on the bench and allow people like me to carry the weight for you. Do you believe that a minority can change the way the world looks at them by blending in and remaining silent? History says no. So, dislike me if you will, but it changes nothing, certainly won't change me. However distasteful my methods may be, they are effective. I use bait tactics in debates because no matter how cheap they are, they work.
I don't know about you, but i'm tired of political ads and church signs, pedophile preists and televangelists showing one face, and hiding another. I'm tired of religion being an impenetrable conversation piece, and unquestionable facet of our society. I'm tired of people telling me that I need such and such deity to be happy. But mostly i'm tired of being told that I should be respectful of the beliefs of others. Here in the United States churches have the clout to shape and mold judiciary and social law. Churches and their political puppets get to tell me that I have to go outside of the state if I want to see a non-country non-gospel concert. Churches in this country are allowed to weigh in on social issues like gay marriage and call them moral issues, and no one does a damn thing about it.
So, I will absolutely offend as many people as I feel necessary. I will do what I feel is the quid pro quo for implementing changes to this theocratic bureaucracy that our country has become. And i'm not alone. People should be pissed off about who makes decisions in this country. People should get offended when churches are allowed to fund political campaigns. If you are afraid of the consequences, then hide who you are behind a screenname on an internet forum. But if you want change, then at some point you will have to let your voice be heard, even if you must demand it so.
There's a few more walls for you to not read. However if you would like to continue this discussion, i'd suggest PM or elsewhere.
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon