(July 4, 2014 at 11:50 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Old Testament doctrine doesn't teach heaven and hell. It teaches obedience and an ass whipping if you don't toe the line.Maybe that's why we need to stop saying "The Bible says so-and-so." It contains a spectrum of people and their experiences.
Before Jesus, death was the end as much as it might be for some of you. The doctrine of any kind of permanency of the human being was part of Jesus' reform of Judaism.