RE: No Surprise Here
July 6, 2014 at 2:31 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2014 at 2:35 pm by Dystopia.)
(July 6, 2014 at 10:39 am)Rhythm Wrote: The notion of limited government (or small government - any way you achieve it) is not uniquely libertarian.
also, as an aside.
Quote:Although some present-day libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights,[3] such as in land, infrastructure and natural resources, others, notably libertarian socialists, seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Finally, libertarians I can vouch for!
Of course there are libertarian socialists, libertarianism is not exclusively right wing laissez faire capitalism, even though I prefer this one, I like individualism and liberty. And it's a weird orientation considering I'm a european.
(July 6, 2014 at 11:04 am)Jenny A Wrote:In europe left wingers are not called liberals but socialists, I don't know there is the liberty if the government controls more of your life. I have a 6 party system and honestly it sucks because it's hard to reach an agreement between everyone, there is a conservative party, a center right, center left, a left and a far left (communist party), + and ecological/environmental party(July 6, 2014 at 10:46 am)Blackout Wrote: Libertarian lite?
No not welfare, that's not liberal, more intervention for me is less liberalism, the more taxes you pay the less free you are. Of course I support free healthcare and education, but I think there should be a private sector with quality for those who prefer. I am pro gay marriage, pro choice, pro euthanasia and assisted suicide (with requirements of course), pro marijuana legalization (alcohol and cigarettes should keep being legal, but no more legalization), religious freedom is a constitutional right. I mean I like some welfare but I think everybody should be self sustainable and not babysitted by the State, I don't like those states that tax people by 50% and people end up abusing the system and live on others' money, where I live 80% on welfare refuse to work and still keep their pensions. I'm mostly and individualist, but in some things I'm a humanist and think we should help others. I support the free market, freedom of enterprise, establishment, autonomy, free competition, etc
Yes I like small government. I like about 40% public property and 60% or more private property. In europe this is conservative
, we can keep both
Both are important. Social freedoms are important, but it doesn't mean others have to pay for your expenses. As for fiscal responsibility, a proportional tax for everyone seems fair, everyone should bay, and taxes should be just the essential for education, defenses, healthcare and so on, I don't see why the government should be funding areas that they have no experience in.
By libertarian lite, I meant you might have libertarian leanings without being libertarian. Given the above, by U.S. standards you are quite simply liberal. All you have to do is say "free health care" and you're a liberal here. Free healthcare here is synonymous with communism in conservative circles.
I asked which you valued most, fiscal responsibility or social freedom, because in the two party system in which I have to vote, that is a question I have to ask every time I fill out a ballet. I can't answer the question either, so I'm often torn.
Here even conservatives want free healthcare, no one wants to abolish it, it's far from communism. I think the question fiscal responsibility vs social freedom can be answered by prudence and equilibrium between both. I usually vote conservative because they propose the best economical measure, despite me disagreeing with their social views, but even conservatives are progressive from time to time. Again, a conservative here is a democrat in the US more or less.
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