Harris, seriously...
The problem here is that you don't actually know what evolution is, what mainstream science accepts as evolution, and so you're making up your own definition (aided in no small part, I imagine, by creationist frauds and hacks) and then expecting everyone else to play by your fantasy definition, and that since your made up nonsense can't happen- and would, by the way, disprove evolution if it were true- then evolution as it actually is defined can't happen.
But nobody here is required to use your imaginary strawman of evolution. There's no rule stating we have to play by Harris-rules in this debate. With that in mind, I'm prepared to stop all this and declare victory for evolution, until such time as you actually bother to get off your ass and look at what real scientists say evolution is. I'd suggest starting here. Begin with "Evolution 101," since you obviously need it, but there's a page on evidence there too.
Other than that, I'm kinda done playing this game with you. Your response back to me was nothing more than another load of assertions that, if I were to take them seriously, would require me to accept that you, a layman with no qualifications, knows more about biology than trained biologists working in the field today, and that's not a leap I'm willing to take for you. You even posted Ben Stein's nonsense Expelled film, which even a cursory search of wikipedia will demonstrate is full of deception and outright lies, built into every level of that tract's writing, production and marketing.
You arguments aren't even that, your sources are either out of date or outright liars, and your concept of evolution is so flawed you might as well be talking about something else. Correct this, or I see no purpose in continuing this bizarre game of yours, beyond giving your anemic position an unearned sense of legitimacy.
You want to play at science, then you have to know what science says.
The problem here is that you don't actually know what evolution is, what mainstream science accepts as evolution, and so you're making up your own definition (aided in no small part, I imagine, by creationist frauds and hacks) and then expecting everyone else to play by your fantasy definition, and that since your made up nonsense can't happen- and would, by the way, disprove evolution if it were true- then evolution as it actually is defined can't happen.
But nobody here is required to use your imaginary strawman of evolution. There's no rule stating we have to play by Harris-rules in this debate. With that in mind, I'm prepared to stop all this and declare victory for evolution, until such time as you actually bother to get off your ass and look at what real scientists say evolution is. I'd suggest starting here. Begin with "Evolution 101," since you obviously need it, but there's a page on evidence there too.
Other than that, I'm kinda done playing this game with you. Your response back to me was nothing more than another load of assertions that, if I were to take them seriously, would require me to accept that you, a layman with no qualifications, knows more about biology than trained biologists working in the field today, and that's not a leap I'm willing to take for you. You even posted Ben Stein's nonsense Expelled film, which even a cursory search of wikipedia will demonstrate is full of deception and outright lies, built into every level of that tract's writing, production and marketing.
You arguments aren't even that, your sources are either out of date or outright liars, and your concept of evolution is so flawed you might as well be talking about something else. Correct this, or I see no purpose in continuing this bizarre game of yours, beyond giving your anemic position an unearned sense of legitimacy.
You want to play at science, then you have to know what science says.
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