Regarding Jesus

[Confused Ape]

No one name Jesus Existed at that supposed time - the letter "J" did not exist in ANY language - and in proper English we do not translate proper names.

That one is easily explained in a long section which only needs a couple of quotes to illustrate what happened - Jesus Name Etymology

The word Jesus used in the New Testament comes from the Latin form of the Greek name Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous), a rendition of the Hebrew Yeshua (ישוע), also used as Joshua or Yesua.[1][2] The name is thus related to the Hebrew consonantal verb root verb y-š-ʕ (to rescue or deliver) and the Hebrew noun yešuaʕ (deliverance).

Modern English Jesus derives from Early Middle English Iesu (attested from the 12th century). The name participated in the Great Vowel Shift in late Middle English (15th century). The letter J was first distinguished from 'I' by the Frenchman Pierre Ramus in the 16th century, but did not become common in Modern English until the 17th century, so that early 17th century works such as the first edition of the King James Version of the Bible (1611) continued to print the name with an I.[13]

From the Latin, the English language takes the forms "Jesus" (from the nominative form), and "Jesu" (from the vocative and oblique forms). "Jesus" is the predominantly used form, while "Jesu" lingers in some more archaic texts.

I found an interesting page where the name Jesus is pronounced in a number of different languages. Not all languages use the English 'j' sound.

Certainly a human that fulfilled all of the claims of the religion about the christ DID NOT LIVE. THere is simply no basis for the supernatural claims of religion.

Agreed. The Biblical Jesus is very different to the mundane Jewish view concerning him.

Certainly it is possible that a human being was the BASIS for the otherwise fictional character - just as there are real Secret Agents that formed the basis for James Bond.

Failed messiahs would certainly have inspired the idea of Jesus.

Simon Of Peraea

Simon of Peraea or Simon son of Joseph was a former slave of Herod the Great who rebelled and was killed by the Romans in 4 BC.[1] He has been identified as the messiah of Gabriel's Revelation. He is mentioned by Flavius Josephus.[2]

He was mentioned because he's supposed to have -

"... burnt down the royal palace at Jericho, and plundered what was left in it. He also set fire to many other of the king's houses in several places of the country, utterly destroyed them, and permitted those that were with him to take what was left in them for a prey. He would have done greater things, but care was taken to repress him immediately. [The commander of Herod's infantry] Gratus joined himself to some Roman soldiers, took the forces he had with him, and met Simon. And after a great and a long fight, no small part of those that had come from Peraea (a disordered body of men, fighting rather in a bold than in a skillful manner) were destroyed. Although Simon had saved himself by flying away through a certain valley, Gratus overtook him, and cut off his head."

Athronges

Athronges (likely derived from ethrog, "citron") was a leader of the Jews during the insurrection under Herod Archelaus. He was a shepherd, in common with his four brothers. However, his humble occupation did not work against him: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David had also been shepherds.[1] After proclaiming himself the messiah, Athronges led the rebellion against Archelaus and the Romans.[2] After a protracted struggle Athronges and his brothers were defeated.[3]

Josephus wrote of him:

Athronges is also supposed to have fought the Romans.

It's likely that Josephus exaggerated the extent of the mayhem in his accounts but I can't think of any logical reason why Christians would want to fake passages about these two men.

However - that information has never been established and they have had 2000 years to do so. THe fact is - there is NOT a single document that can be dated to the supposed time of the christ that even mentions his name. He is not mentioned in the Dead sea scrolls which date from that time - he is not mentioned by any Jewish or Roman Historian who actually lived at that time. For a person who supposedly spoke to MULTITUDES - there is simply no first level evidence of his existence at all.

The Jesus of the Bible never did anything exciting like setting fire to buildings and killing Romans. Any real failed messiah who did nothing exciting from an historian's point of view wouldn't have made it into an account. Christians had to fake their own mentions in Josephus's history and they said what suited their religion.

I could mention dozens of problems that indicate that the story of the christ was "created" as fiction by humans

The Jesus of the Bible is definitely fiction. It's interesting reading Jewish views on why the Christian stories about him are a load of old rubbish.