(July 13, 2014 at 9:18 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:(July 13, 2014 at 6:49 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Please stop. This is bullshit. A hurricane does not need Poseidon as a cause. Nor does evolution or the universe need a cognition to start it. "All this" is a result of natural laws, not products manufactured by magical beings, cognitions or entities.I agree, but you've largely sidestepped the discussion of design in nature, even it's appearance.
There is perhaps some confusion as to what could be meant by design in nature or the appearance of; conceptions we typically apply the term design to can include anything that displays some type of function and purpose--hence when biologists seek to understand adaptations, a question they naturally seek to answer is "What is this for? Was it an off-shoot of something else that had a distinct function for survival?" Especially with the advent of modern technology, from human-like robots to space shuttles, there are different mechanisms in nature that seem analogous, both in complexity, which work in so many interconnected ways with other parts, and in result, which is to produce something like life and memory--though more profoundly than anything our intelligence or design has been able to replicate--an organism equipped to even create symbols that we know as math, poetry, science, philosophy, etc. Nature created organisms that design, to be sure.
Quote:The world does not have to be what we want. We have to adapt ourselves through observation and testing and peer review. That is how we gain better understanding. Don't add superfluous bullshit woo to it.I don't follow exactly where you're going here. Again, the conversation about design or the appearance of in nature need not devolve into simplistic anthropomorphic deities and tales of grandeur human purposes.
Ditch the word "design". There is noting in nature "designed". Period. There are simply natural processes. Don't add superfluous bullshit to it.
