RE: Objectifying women
May 19, 2010 at 11:32 am
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2010 at 11:51 am by Dotard.)
(May 19, 2010 at 10:10 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: Are you really comparing flirty outfits to your dick hanging out? Really?
So should I have said "ass-less chaps"? Shit, just insert your own homo-erotic clothing in lieu of 'dick hanging out'.
Quote:Dotard, you are an idiot.
Ahhh... name calling. A sure sign the convo is coming to and end and you are running out of sensible arguements.
Quote:What you are suggesting is that women cannot wear anything suggestive, without inviting assault. First off, the facts don't even match with your assertion. There are no statistics that show women walking around in flirty outfits are more likely to get raped. So your thinking has a fatal flaw there anyway.
I guess you forgot we went thru all this before. You provided some rape awareness flyers from a college andd a bunch of personal opinion as 'proof' I provided some links to actual studies. You can probably dig that thread up a lot easier than I.
Quote:Second, IT'S MY FUCKING BODY. I'm not flashing my tits around, so it's not the fucking same as you waving your cock around.
And if you were you would be contributing to the likelihood of them being fondled or molested against your will. I'm not waving my cock around, so true, it's not the fucking same as you waving your tits around. What have you proven there?
Quote:Woman aren't walking around with tits out,
Do I need continue? You know I can find a million examples of women walking around with tits hanging out.
Quote:The absurdity of your assertion is so fucking crazy, I can't even comprehend how you think anything you're saying makes sense.
I think the same of your contentions. I know where you are coming from, I'm contending you are not being realistic. What 'should' and what 'is' are two different things. What 'is' is that if I have something others will take from me forcibly then I shoulder partial blame for not taking precautions to protect it. 'Should' I have to? No. DO I have to? Yes.
Quote:I get that you're a man, so maybe you don't understand why your assertion is so incredibly sexist. But let me give you a hint. I'm a woman. I know people who have been sexually assaulted and rape. I go through life constantly with people making sexual overtures at me. I shrug most of it off, I know it's mostly innocent ignorant BS. I've never had anything terrible happen to me, but I have been at clubs where all I wanted to do was dance with my friends and men think that because I'm there it means I want to have sex.
Men think that huh? Quite the blanket statement and I think shows where the problem you have lies.
Quote:By your assertion my dancing in a cute top is my fault that creeps are all over me.
Cute or revealing? Cute meaning little bunny patterns or frilly sleeves? Or "cute" as in 1/2 the tits are hanging out? If the latter, then yes, you shoulder partial blame for the creeps hanging all around you.
Quote:By your assertion I should know better if I want to enjoy myself with my friends. By your assertion I am no better than money, to be hidden away if I want to feel safe.
No goddamnit. I'm saying your body is your property. Equal to your money being your property. It's a possession you have that some others are willing to forcibly take from you. Yes, cover the tits to contribute to your safety. Jeeez, you seem to think just because someone has not the right to take your property that they won't take your property. What planet are you on?
Quote: I am a person, this is my body. No one has a right to touch it, doesn't matter what the fuck I am wearing.
AND I FUCKING AGREE! How many times must I say that?
Quote:You're a man. You have the privilege of walking down the street in whatever you want and not being judged or catcalled at.
Bullshit. I should have the right. But it is not a given. Nobody judges me? HA! You are doing that right now. No one catcalls me? Well, true dat, but it is never a guarantee it won't happen if I walk down the street in ass-less chaps in the fag-light district.
Quote:You can walk late at night and not worry if the person walking a little too close behind you might attack you.
Bull-fucking-shit. If I'm walking late at night and a person is walking a little too close behind me, damned straight I'm going to be concerned about an attack. Doubley so if I got my property hanging out for all to see.
Quote:You don't know what it's like to be a woman,
Damn, there just might be a God.
Quote:and I am certain that's why you don't understand how incredibly offensive and downright ignorant your assertions are.
Offensive? Maybe. Offensiveness doesn't dictate reality. My assertions are based on how reality operates in the here and now.
Ignorant? Nah. I would contend your position is based on ignorance that property (money, your body, your shoes) all need reasonable protective measures to protect them. Flaunting your possessions is not a reasonable protective measure.
You advocate 0 (zero) personal responsibility.
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...the least christian thing a person can do is to become a christian. ~Chuck
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