RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
July 19, 2014 at 5:48 pm
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2014 at 5:49 pm by pocaracas.)
(July 19, 2014 at 4:19 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Deidre32
He doesn't.
( 133 ) And your Lord is the Free of need, the possessor of mercy. If He wills, he can do away with you and give succession after you to whomever He wills, just as He produced you from the descendants of another people. Page 145, Quran.
Though, the god orders Muslims to defend "their right to worship god", which is a total different thing !
This bit here got me thinking...
Why is it that believers say stuff like that? "god orders muslims to..." "god commands christians to..." "god tells jews to..." ??
Wouldn't you think that, if there was a real god, one that wanted people to believe that it is real and exists, it wouldn't send a select few "prophets", knowing full well that people can and will mistrust the words of these few, knowing full well that these few can be considered mentally unstable, but rather should bring itself to be known by everyone, equally... "to know", defined as "justified true belief".
If there was a god that made itself known to everyone, then everyone would believe it exists... the choice to worship it or not would then be in the realm of free-will.
Instead, we get "god" (some god...) ordering the people in some constrained geographical localization. The other geographical locations of the planet are left to their own devices, huh? That's where (other) god(s) bring forth his(their) orders for other people in those places... and we get the Egyptians, Greek, Romans, Norse, Druids, Babylonians, Hindus, Shamans, Incas, Aztecs, Native Americans (so-called indians in the north - it seems the indigenous peoples of the Amazon were a bit godless), Buddhists, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...
So... either the great majority of the people of earth got the wrong message (undermining any credibility of any "word of god"), or there are a lot of cons around... all of them. Either we have an incompetent god, or none at all. Which is it?
