(July 20, 2014 at 6:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Quote:I disagree with boru about some apples being superior to others, it all comes down to the subjective opinion of living things.
Sorry, I could have expressed that better - we're actually in agreement. Some people prefer sweet apples, so the sweeter the apple, the more 'superior' it is. Likewise, some prefer their apples more tart, etc. Thus, like morality, there can't be any objective standard for anything.
Sorry for the confusion.
Boru
(July 20, 2014 at 6:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think you misunderstood what I'm trying to say Boru. The main point is that morality encompasses that what if situation. The what if situation shows it encompasses spirituality. The question is how can this be possible if spirituality has no basis? We would be saying morality encompasses spirituality as a part of it, but at the same time, spirituality is delusional and made up by society. This only makes sense if morality is delusional as well. But if we acknowledge morality, then this is highly problematic.
I may still not be grasping your point. Your 'what if' situation only hold true IF the what if situation IS true. Since it cannot be demonstrated to be true, then there's no real need to consider that morality either has a spiritual component or encompasses spirituality.
In other words, your 'what if' situation does NOT show that morality encompasses spirituality.
But I agree with you on at least one point. Your argument IS decidedly fuzzy. Any chance you could sharpen it up a bit?
Boru
It is part of morality either way, but in one way, it would be that morality is partially delusional or encompasses a delusional thought.
The what if scenario shows it encompasses it, just like morality encompasses fictional events like in Batman. In the case of Batman though, it would be an instance of a great human. But in the case of spirituality, it's a dimension of morality that would be without basis if spirituality has no basis.
