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Open debate: What does Jesus teach?
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach?
(July 19, 2014 at 12:24 pm)professor Wrote: Hi Arc,
I want to answer some of your writing.
When Jesus said to the Jews to keep the laws, the New Testament had not begun, therefore, that was the correct teaching.
The New Covenant began when Jesus became the sacrifice- which replaced the sacrifice of animals that could only cover sin- not redeem the ones for whom it was made.
Paul declared he received revelation directly from Jesus, that NO man had taught him.

Paul wrote all those letters to the churches in the NT to instruct them on what was revealed to him from God.
In one place, Paul stated, about something he wrote, that what he is saying is from himself- clarifying a separate instruction. Making note it was from him rather than from the Holy Spirit.
It is apparent that Paul was chosen to replace the son of perdition- Judas.

I believe it was Paul who came against Peter for falling into the idea that the Law can justify them.
Paul asked in one letter, "Who has bewitched you?
To think you can be made perfect by the law".

ALL of the religions of the world system are Works Systems wherein the adherents believe they can raise themselves up by their boot straps.

The Gospel is taking the Pardon Jesus paid for and any good works done is to be a reflection of having received Grace.

Since you seem to have some grasp on history, note that the red thread that would turn white upon the Jewish priest's yearly sacrifice, no longer changed color after Jesus' sacrifice.
The Jews didn't get it.

40 years later their sacrifices stopped completely.
40 is the number of Testing.
When Jerusalem was surrounded by armies, the Christians remembered the words of Jesus and fled.
The OT clingers didn't and were killed by the Romans.

No - You don't Get it

Your story of the "New Covenant" is just another fabrication of the Xtians - and YOU have no grasp of History - the stories of the bible are not Historical - they are MYTHICAL - not real. There is no record of Israel in the historical record until about 1400 BCE - so we can assume that stories of a million people is nonsense. WE know that the story of bondage to Egypt is not true - we have a list of those who were - and the Hebrews were not on it. Either they did not exist - or were too insignificant to do so - either way the bible is not historical. ANd there is no mention of the christ in the historical record of his supposed time - none at all.

The bible is nothing more than a bunch of Myths and Fables of a bunch of ancient cave dwellers - goat herders - and fishermen - largely uneducated - making up stories to explain things that they did not understand. If you claim otherwise - PROVE the earth is a flat circle - and Prove that you can eat any seed bearing plant for food. And prove that the christ existed based on actual evidence that can be dated to that supposed time - there is NONE.

The problem with a claim of a "New Covenant" is that it admits that the god LIED - and its word it therefore worthless. If the god was all knowing - it would have know that it was not going to fulfill the original covenant - before he supposedly made it - so going ahead and making it - and then doing something else -= is simply showing that the god lied.

There are so many contradictions - errors of fact - and obvious nonsense in the bible -that quoting from it - normally can be contradicted by quoting from it.

And PAUL never saw the christ in life - no one can be proven to have done that. THe idea that Paul god the word directly from the christ is something that superstitious ancients might believe -= but an educated and intelligent person from this century looks at such a statement as nonsense.
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Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 19, 2014 at 2:47 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 19, 2014 at 4:11 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2014 at 1:36 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 26, 2014 at 5:20 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 27, 2014 at 2:11 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by vorlon13 - July 19, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by professor - July 19, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Ryantology - July 20, 2014 at 6:42 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by ThomM - July 20, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Mudhammam - July 21, 2014 at 6:15 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 21, 2014 at 8:31 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by vorlon13 - July 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by professor - July 19, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Tonus - July 21, 2014 at 6:26 am
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