RE: God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD
July 21, 2014 at 9:29 pm
(This post was last modified: July 21, 2014 at 9:48 pm by paulpablo.)
Quote:First of all, until the day you die, nobody can judge you. So, you misunderstood the verse of "shirk" ; it speaks about meeting god in judgement day as a "heathen", who knew Islam & kept living on as a heathen and died as a heathen.. No contradictions here.
Ahhhhhhhh ok, I see. So you're telling me god DOES forgive heathens as long as they don't die as heathens. You believe god DOES forgive association with him as long as a person doesn't do it all their life and repents.
Let's see what the quran says.
Just to clarify you have just said God DOES FORGIVE association with him if a person repents and converts to Islam, and there will be no contradiction with that and what the quran says.
Quote:Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.
And again in a separate verse
Quote:Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray.
Quote:The verses simply mean : roasting in hell is not just for "not believing in god".
If you do good deeds, then you do believe in some parts of Islam, then you do walk the path of god partially.
No because good deeds aren't synonymous with believing in the verses of the quran.
Just because the quran mentions some good deeds doesn't mean the quran invented these good deeds and if you do them you're believing in the verses of the quran.
You say god doesn't punish people just for not believing in god?
Quote:And those who disbelieve and deny Our signs - those will be companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally."
Quote:Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
Impersonation is treason.
