RE: Is Evolution a science or a faith?
July 26, 2014 at 10:15 am
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2014 at 10:21 am by Harris.)
(July 6, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Let's begin at the beginning shall we? Atheism is a lack of faith in god. Evolution is not necessary to my lack of belief in god. There is no proof or even suggestive evidence for the existence of god. Period. Full stop. No big bang, evolution, or abiogenesis required.
It is exactly my point as well. If you do not want to believe in the existence of God then it’s your choice but do not try to justify your belief by means of Evolution because Theory of Evolution has flaws that will only degrade the quality of your choice.
(July 6, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Evolution is, however, a threat to many people's belief in god.
On the contrary, Theory of Evolution seriously lacks evidence. On the other side the belief that God does not exist is self-contradictory due to the existence intelligible universe and human conscious.
(July 6, 2014 at 10:10 pm)paulpablo Wrote: So to cut a long story short your alternative theory is that god said the word "be" to some dust and that's how life began?
As a replacement for “BE,” can you offer any scientific explanation how life began?
(July 6, 2014 at 10:21 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Winning? Morals?
Didn't think it science was a game or a race.
When you throw god as the default answer, it does make the above infinitely more feasible.
Since when are morals the work of god.
Unfortunately, there is no moral code in Atheism, which can provide moral code of conduct to the followers of Atheism. Without having a moral code, people have little or no knowledge about ethics, about right and wrong, good and bad, virtue and vice, etc. if they are good then it is for the fear of punishment. One essential condition for being a moral person is that the agent must have the relevant understanding (or capacity for understanding) of what the external requirements of morality are. Exactly how much understanding is required is not easy to specify if you do not have a moral code.
(July 6, 2014 at 10:21 pm)ignoramus Wrote: There's still a lot to learn from science ... We can barely make it to a rock 300,000 miles from earth.
Science is not claiming we understand how everything works.
Exactly, Science has limitations and it cannot address to the phenomenon, which transcend the material world.
(July 6, 2014 at 10:21 pm)ignoramus Wrote: I don't even necessarily believe that life on earth began exclusively on earth.
Well your belief is closer to the idea that all Semitic religions are teaching us since pre-scientific era.
(July 6, 2014 at 10:21 pm)ignoramus Wrote: But to fall back to the lazy explanation every time it's convenient, then we'd still be in the middle ages teaching the fine arts of alchemy.
Following Quran is by no means a lazy act.
(July 6, 2014 at 10:29 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It's a science.
Next.
Evidence please!
(July 6, 2014 at 10:32 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Wow. Not reading all that text but to answer your question, the theory of evolution is a body of scientific facts, not faith.
How much I know Theory of Evolution and Natural selection do not have hard scientific facts. Richard Dawkins wrote:
“Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind’s eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vison, no foresight, and no sight at all.”
Page 5
The Blind Watchmaker
Richard Dawkins.
I do not think above statement, by any means, a Scientific Fact.
(July 6, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Esquilax Wrote: We get irritated when some ill educated nonce like yourself comes along and confidently asserts incorrect things as though they were facts. Don't mistake that for some deep seated panic at your brave truth seeking pulling the rug out from under us…
You should study some of the work of Thomas Nagel. Maybe he would take you out from your Evolutionary delusions.
(July 6, 2014 at 11:34 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Evolution is a fact, just ask any creationist in the hospital dying from an infection caused by an EVOLVED pathogen.
If you have evolved a new type of virus from some existing virus then this is not even close to what theory of evolution is claiming.