(July 28, 2014 at 2:40 am)Harris Wrote:I just realized now that I posted the wrong link. I think that makes it even funnier.(July 27, 2014 at 3:45 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Okay Harris, If evolution is false like you claim then please explain the results of this article. http://cdn.viewmixed.com/wp-content/uplo...2169-8.jpg
I am not a representative of Christianity. If a Muslim did something similar then for me between him and an atheist there was no difference.
(July 27, 2014 at 5:23 am)FreeTony Wrote: This whole ludicrous attempt to lump science as faith can be summed up by:
1. I'm going flying in a commercial jet later today. I have faith that it will fly and I will not die.
2. I'm going to jump off a tower later today. I have faith that I can fly by flapping my arms and I will not die.
If you think these two "faiths" are the same, then you really shouldn't be allowed out in public, even if your preacher tells you that with faith you can achieve anything.
These two faiths cannot be the same if we are not talking about a crazy person.
In the first case you asses the probability of a crash which is minimal. So you have sense of more comfort than anxiety. Therefore, although there is always a chance of a crash but because the probability shows plane crashes are rare therefore, you have faith in flying safely and willingly you take that small risk for your flying.
In the second case if you are not a crazy person then you will never jump based on the reasoning that I gave for your first case.
(July 27, 2014 at 9:35 am)whateverist Wrote: So has Harris left the house? Off somewhere quote mining for future use? Ah well.
Don't get upset. I love you all.
(July 27, 2014 at 10:18 am)pocaracas Wrote: He is your brother in FAITH
Thanks for the complement.
(July 27, 2014 at 10:18 am)pocaracas Wrote: What does he know of biology and science?
Oh, very little!!
Your insistence on this author is then the fallacy called "Argument from (or appeal to) authority".
You do not need to be a scientist like Stephen Hawking to assess the following quote to be true of false.
“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.”
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The Grand Design
By Stephen W. Hawking
(July 27, 2014 at 3:48 pm)Natachan Wrote: I'm noting you seem to think it's either evolution or god. This is a false dichotomy. Evolution is a fact. It has nothing to do with the existence or non existence of god. Most Christians have no issue with evolution, in fact the Catholic Church, which I came from, endorses it. It was not evolution which caused me to become an atheist, or to leave the church.
You have noted correctly, I am indeed taking evolution as god. I cannot see it otherwise in the context of Atheism. If Natural Selection, which is blind, unguided, and mindless process that is able to create nature out from nothing where not a single thing is no less than a miracle then for me Natural Selection is nothing more than an alternate to god.
The difference between my God and Natural selection is that my God is Intelligent whereas Natural Selection is blind, mindless, and Unguided. As being a conscious person, I can’t take unguided, blind, and mindless Absurd as FAITH or even as Science. Sorry.
(July 27, 2014 at 3:48 pm)Natachan Wrote: Evolution is a fact. It is observable, testable, verifiable.
Please give evidence instead of giving an abstract talk.
(July 27, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Polaris Wrote: Both proponents for evolution and intelligent design use science to back up their faith in their own theories. Frankly, the people behind Ancient Aliens have more substance than what is passed as evolution these days.
Science is incapable to prove or disprove the existence of God. All my argument against evolution is only to show that that the concept behind evolution is not logical. Intelligent design use science to assess the logic for the existence of God. Intelligent design cannot show existence of God by using science only.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.