RE: Is Evolution a science or a faith?
July 28, 2014 at 12:19 pm
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2014 at 12:29 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(July 26, 2014 at 11:21 am)Harris Wrote: Yes! But no one is claiming that atomic theory in responsible for life on earth.
We're already aware that you don't like evolution because of the conclusions it reaches rather than the science it's based on; but the theory of evolution is separate from hypotheses of abiogenesis. It is not an explanation for why there's life on earth, it's an explanation for why we have such a diversity of species. You don't even know what it is that you're trying to argue against.
(July 26, 2014 at 11:35 am)Harris Wrote: I presume you have read 100s of hard books. However, for some unknown reason, it seems you are not willing to give few hard quotes from those hard books to support your case.
As a rule, we don't quote books to support our case. Quotations are usually (though not necessarily) a fallacioius appeal to authority and a demonstration that one doesn't understand what one is arguing well enough to be able to put it in one's own words.
(July 26, 2014 at 2:38 pm)Harris Wrote:(July 26, 2014 at 12:07 pm)Tobie Wrote: This has been said countless times before on this forum, but Atheism is not the belief that there is no god, it is the lack of belief in a god. There are some atheists who, on top of not believing in a god, claim no gods exist, but the majority (at least here) do not claim that.
Also, science does not claim everything came from nothing - the Big Bang theory in it's current form says the universe started as a singularity, which is absolutely the opposite of nothing, because it is everything, but condensed infinitesimally.
Maybe this has been said countless times before. However, the thing which no one has thought about is that the new Atheist has redefined the faith. They say faith is purely religious concept that is to believe in something without any evidence for the existence of that thing. However, new atheists are completely blinded to the fact that their whole worldview is in fact a faith and indeed not only that but perhaps even more importantly that science depends on faith. Every scientist believe that the entire universe is intelligible that is we can in part understand it by using our minds that we have to believe before we do science.
Physics is powerless to establish its faith in the reliability of human mind simply because you have to have that faith that the universe is intelligible before you could do any physics at all. So here is the very odd thing the new atheist are railing against faith when they needed to believe their own worldview as well as to do science.
Don't know what an 'axiom' is, eh? Science doesn't depend on reality being 'really real'. If reality is illusory, science is the study of the illusion.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.