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Is Evolution a science or a faith?
RE: Is Evolution a science or a faith?
(July 28, 2014 at 1:09 am)Esquilax Wrote: How you have produced those axioms without having faith in the intelligibility of the universe?

That's what axioms are, Harris: basal assumptions made in order to actually function. I don't apologize for not having all the answers just yet, and I will point out that my axioms have a proven track record of actually providing decent results that are consistent with observed reality. In short, I don't need to know why the universe remains consistent, to observe that it does remain consistent. All of the evidence, for every day in all of recorded human history, shows that the universe will remain intelligible. No faith required: we've observed that happening. It would take more faith to consistently believe that the universe wouldn't be intelligible.


As far I know an axiom is a statement or proposition that is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true. You are saying that these are basal assumption made in order to actually function. In other words axiom is an idea that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof. The important point to which I am trying to draw your attention to is how that statement, proposition, or basal assumption first appeared in your mind. I think it is not comming in form of dream, hallucination, vision, revelation, etc. It is obviously initiated after you have observed something that clicks some idea in you. You can developed that idea only if you have faith in what you have observed. For example take the story of Newton and his apple. If Newton had no faith in what he had seen would he be able to develop new ideas? Of course not. Don’t get confused with the idea that people in todays world know much more than anyone had in the history. Just remember no one is a professor by birth. We are learning beings and everything we experience first time in our lives. Everybody (literate or illetrate) have different ideas through different observations they experienced but only few of them know how to express them effectively.


(July 28, 2014 at 1:09 am)Esquilax Wrote: Quote:Well, I am not trying to prove the existence of God using science, which is not capable of handling immaterial concepts and morals.

You can't prove, or even hint at, the existence of god at all.

I have already given many logical evidences for the existence of God. They are looking towards for your second glance.
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RE: Is Evolution a science or a faith? - by Harris - July 26, 2014 at 11:11 am
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RE: Is Evolution a science or a faith? - by Mister Agenda - July 28, 2014 at 12:13 pm
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