RE: Is Evolution a science or a faith?
July 28, 2014 at 1:35 pm
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2014 at 1:43 pm by Harris.)
(July 28, 2014 at 2:11 am)Jenny A Wrote: Faith is simply believing without evidence.
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(July 28, 2014 at 2:11 am)Jenny A Wrote: Some faith is comfortable, some not.
There is nothing like comfortable Faith or discomfort faith. You are comfortable with some idea and that is why you have faith in that. Once you have faith in something then you willingly choose discomfort to comply the requirements of your faith. It is something like solder who exactly knows the consequences of war yet he willingly go to the war because he has faith in a higher purpose than his own life.
(July 28, 2014 at 2:11 am)Jenny A Wrote: Faith in hell is uncomfortable. Faith in heaven is comfortable.
I am a Muslim by my choice. I have reasons why I am Muslim. Based on those reasons I have faith in Islam. My faith demands certain obligations. If intentionally I would not fulfil my obligations without any justifiable reasons then for that I have to face a threat of punishment. No matter I am a believer in One true God if I do something wrong intentionally, I would be accountable for that. Islam does not give false hopes to its followers. I am agreed for not doing evil intentionally as this is also the requirement of my innate morals. For my good doings, I am hopeful for a reward. So the conclusion is that I have faith in hell and I have faith in paradise. I know what are my obligations therefore I try to be good and try to avoid evil so to keep myself away from hell. I have hope for justice for all of my good deeds.
(July 28, 2014 at 2:11 am)Jenny A Wrote: But there isn't any evidence of either.
As you correctly said above that faith is not based on scientific evidence. It is based on logic.
(July 28, 2014 at 2:11 am)Jenny A Wrote: Knowledge is belief based upon evidence. My lack of belief in god is based on a lack of evidence and an unwillingness (or really inability) to believe without evidence. Should evidence be provided, I'll believe in god, but it won't be faith, it will be knowledge.
If you love some person then do you think you have an evidence to that? You have only words and your emotions to exhibit but in case your counter partner do not have trust in your love then how can you prove that to him/her. You know your feelings because you are experiencing them but you are helpless to show them as evidence.
(July 28, 2014 at 2:11 am)Jenny A Wrote: My belief in scientifically demonstrated ideas and phenomena is based on evidence. Unlike faith it's subject to change in the face of contrary evidence.
Our lives are not based on scientific experiments in labs. Our lives are based on our innate senses, feelings, and emotions. Paradox is that we are experiencing all these feeling in our daily lives such as love but we are not capable to prove it scientifically. You have knowledge about your love yet if you do not trust your feelings simply because you do not have scientific evidence for them then you are surely a deluded person.
(July 28, 2014 at 3:51 am)Esquilax Wrote:(July 28, 2014 at 2:40 am)Harris Wrote: Please give evidence instead of giving an abstract talk.
We tried that. You just dismissed it all out of hand because it proved actual evolution to be real, and didn't prove your fantasy version that isn't actually evolution to be real.
Sorry, we're only obligated to provide evidence for what the theory actually states, not to pretend your ridiculous strawmen have any merit.
Perhaps it is you who have closed eyes on obvious facts that I have presented in my post and in the responses.