RE: Is Evolution a science or a faith?
July 28, 2014 at 2:35 pm
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2014 at 3:01 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(July 28, 2014 at 8:53 am)Harris Wrote:(July 28, 2014 at 12:19 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: We get the concept of god not existing from the claim you make that god exists. Its a default position to the claim, you claim god exists, we say we don't believe your claim. Why is this so hard to understand?
No, I am not only saying God exist. I am giving logical evidence from science and nature. You are concentrating only on the mechanism but not the agency, which has produced this mechanism, and running it. Perhaps, because you cannot perceive that agency with your direct senses.
Perhaps, because you cannot perceive that agency with your direct senses either, so it is literally impossible for you to actually know what you're talking about on the matter. Why should we believe your claims about an entity completely beyond your ability to grasp even if it did exist?
(July 28, 2014 at 8:19 am)Harris Wrote: It is just as if you are saying electronic circuitry inside Sony TV is more important than Akio Morita. Well it is explaining how the circuitry works but it is not if I ask you the question, how that circuitry does comes into existence in first place.
It's just as if you have a piece of electronic circuitry with no way to determine who made it and admitting there's no way you can honestly say who made it.
(July 28, 2014 at 8:19 am)Harris Wrote: At this stage, everybody got speechless.
Harris, Harris, wake up! You're drifting off into some kind of dream where other people react to the stupid things you say the way you wish they would.
(July 28, 2014 at 11:42 am)Harris Wrote:(July 28, 2014 at 12:46 am)Esquilax Wrote: (Today 03:56)Harris Wrote: If abiogenesis is not the base of evolution, then how you justify the evolution in the first place.
We don't know. And that's it.
Very interestng, there is no foundation yet there is a big theory with so may intricate details. More interestengly everyone seems to be happy with this theory without even knowing this theory at its root level.
The foundation of the modern synthesis is the multiple lines of evidence supporting common descent modified by the interaction of natural variations with natural selection, which is what evolution is.
What's very interesting is how the fact that evolution is not and never was founded on abiogenesis is completely incapable of penetrating your invincible ignorance.
(July 28, 2014 at 8:19 am)Harris Wrote: Abiogenesis and evolution are not separate things, they are deeply interconnected with each other. Tell me if there was no first cell then would evolution (in which you believe) ever happened and do you think you and me were corresponding with each other here?
If there was no first cell, we wouldn't be standing here even if there IS a God.
(July 28, 2014 at 8:19 am)Harris Wrote: Further, what makes you believe that life started from the first living cell. Maybe life has started in absolutely different way.
It doesn't matter how it started, evolution is something that happens to populations of reproducing organisms over time. However the first reproducing organisms came into being, evolution comes into play afterwards.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.