(July 29, 2014 at 10:10 pm)Drich Wrote:(July 29, 2014 at 10:10 pm)Drich Wrote: The idea behind correction of any wrongdoing is justice, equal payment for any wrongdoing. Catholics of course don't have an issue with this, since we believe in purgatory. You pay for your sins and then they are absolved. For some Protestants they seem to believe in infinite punishment for finite crime, which is by definition unjust.what some of us believe is that it is not up to us to decide what is or is not just.
Indeed, that is what some believe. It's just that some of us think that's insane. People are perfectly capable of reasoning out justice. If what the Bible says sounds barbaric, chances are that it is barbaric.
(July 29, 2014 at 9:27 am)Natachan Wrote:(July 29, 2014 at 10:10 pm)Drich Wrote: The second part of sin is "that which is contrary to the nature of an ideal being." This is irritating and somewhat absurd. Some of the sins under this category include eating, sleeping, breathing. This holds that you are damned simply for living. You are damned for eating, which is necessary to prevent starvation, which is sinful if you can get food to sustain yourself as suicide. You are damned for the pain that you caused your mother at birth, and damned for the nourishment you take. This category also contains "thought crime." Since an ideal being does not feel joy, lust, anger or wrath you are damned for this as well.book chapter and verse please. No book chapter and verse, no sin has been committed.
Actually the sermon on the mount is full of "thought crimes." Just thinking of sex outside marriage is a sin.
(July 29, 2014 at 10:10 pm)Drich Wrote:(July 29, 2014 at 10:10 pm)Drich Wrote: Then there is the third and most repulsive form of sin, original or inherited sin. This states that you are responsible not for any action of yours, but for the action of others who you had no say in and never knew. This idea is repeated over and over again. You are held culpable for the crimes of others committed before you were ever born. You are held as culpable for the crimes of anyone else anywhere. Your moral standing is affected not by your own actions, but by the actions of others over whom you have no control and no say. This is deplorable.ah, no.. Again book chapter and verse.
Both the fall of man in Genesis and the idea that we all me need a savior for sins seems to have plenty of evidence.
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” Romans 5:12
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of god: not of works, lest any man should boast” Ephesians 2:8-9.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.