Well hey there! I'm about to get to sleep but I'll give ya a quick reply.
Uncertain. The bible states that hell is eternal, but is unclear of exactly if that is eternal conscious torment or oblivion. Unfortunately I do not have my vulgate or my Latin dictionary (it was old, it's missing some stuff in the m's) so I'm relying on the KJV for this. Some passages state it is eternal torment, such as in revelations (which I put no stock in even when I was a catholic) and some say eternal blackness and second death. So it can be interpreted either way.
This sounds a lot like the "higher justice" argent that I hear a lot. The bible states that God is just, and if you believe that his actions can be considered just if he deals out infinite punishment and torment for a finite crime you have to justify that statement.
Thought crime is explicitly stated to be a sin. In exodus:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
In Matthew:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Abstinence from all bodily and worldly concerns is usually inferred, and while Catholics tend to take it to extremes it is based in biblical teachings to "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth." If you wish I can give a better description in the morning.
If you are denying original sin you have quite a hill to climb. This is foundational doctrine of all Christian theology. It is the reason that God had to come to earth.
Quote:these are not biblically based sins (minus the swearing)Yeah, Catholics are kind if big into sin. I'm somewhat familiar with you silly Protestants enough to know that some follow an even stricter view of sin, which they use the bible to justify. However most of my knowledge comes from theology training.
Quote:The bible says hell is infinite. And the punishment set aside for satan and his demons is infinite. For us, Hell is the second death.
Uncertain. The bible states that hell is eternal, but is unclear of exactly if that is eternal conscious torment or oblivion. Unfortunately I do not have my vulgate or my Latin dictionary (it was old, it's missing some stuff in the m's) so I'm relying on the KJV for this. Some passages state it is eternal torment, such as in revelations (which I put no stock in even when I was a catholic) and some say eternal blackness and second death. So it can be interpreted either way.
Quote:what some of us believe is that it is not up to us to decide what is or is not just.
This sounds a lot like the "higher justice" argent that I hear a lot. The bible states that God is just, and if you believe that his actions can be considered just if he deals out infinite punishment and torment for a finite crime you have to justify that statement.
Quote: book chapter and verse please. No book chapter and verse, no sin has been committed.
Thought crime is explicitly stated to be a sin. In exodus:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
In Matthew:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Abstinence from all bodily and worldly concerns is usually inferred, and while Catholics tend to take it to extremes it is based in biblical teachings to "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth." If you wish I can give a better description in the morning.
Quote:ah, no.. Again book chapter and verse.
If you are denying original sin you have quite a hill to climb. This is foundational doctrine of all Christian theology. It is the reason that God had to come to earth.
