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God's Nature and character
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RE: God's Nature and character
(July 30, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: How can god be god if he didn't create anything?

The universe, i.e. reality has always existed in some shape or form. Existence means to exist. This is a constant. It cannot be created nor destroyed, it just changes constantly. Its nonsensical to say "it all happened before time", you cannot have a 'before the big bang'. Maths, logic and planck time all break down when you try to apply them before this event.

At the grand unification epoch the fundamental forces were meaningless, antimatter and matter coexisted, they could not react with each other.

So basically monotheists have to accept the universe is the same age as its creator.

But what they are doing is giving baggage to the word "universe" and looking to substitute it with the label "god".

They are essentially trying to personify reality as their god, no differently than Pagans personified attributes of nature as their gods.

Its sad that in desperate emotional need to get that "cozy warm feeling" that something is watching over you, they've chosen to ignore the real and true wonder of the vast cosmos that is staring at them in the face.

What perplexes me is the idea of the cosmic trigger, the appearance of a force so powerful that everything, including ourselves, are still literally in motion because of it. I agree it doesn't make much sense to speak of "before time" until time is better understood, though I can conceive, hypothetically in the abstract, that other modes of existence under different laws of time might be possible. But that trigger, which transformed the state of existence from a timeless void of sorts to a space in which matter and energy interact to eventually create intelligent beings that can comprehend this magnificant series of events, is where one might take comfort in the notion of an essence worthy of the title, "God" (again, not saying I do).
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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God's Nature and character - by Simon Moon - July 30, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by ShaMan - July 30, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Mudhammam - July 30, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 30, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Simon Moon - July 30, 2014 at 3:33 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 30, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by ShaMan - July 30, 2014 at 3:39 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 30, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 2:45 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Zen Badger - July 31, 2014 at 7:47 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Welsh cake - July 30, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Mudhammam - July 30, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by ignoramus - July 31, 2014 at 12:03 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Minimalist - July 31, 2014 at 1:38 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by CindysRain - July 31, 2014 at 2:31 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 7:26 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Baqal - July 31, 2014 at 7:38 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 7:40 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Baqal - July 31, 2014 at 7:44 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:12 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by CindysRain - July 31, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Drich - July 31, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 8:13 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:29 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 8:30 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 8:32 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:35 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 8:39 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:41 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:14 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:18 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by SteveII - July 31, 2014 at 10:23 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 10:29 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Zen Badger - July 31, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:56 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 9:20 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:31 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:44 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:47 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:50 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:51 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:56 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Baqal - July 31, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Baqal - July 31, 2014 at 9:55 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 11:31 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 12:57 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 10:12 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 9:03 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:10 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:11 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Dystopia - July 31, 2014 at 9:11 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 9:22 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Dystopia - July 31, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Raven - July 31, 2014 at 9:56 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Raven - July 31, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Welsh cake - July 31, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 2:03 pm

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