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God's Nature and character
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RE: God's Nature and character
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/be...heard.aspx

You know what the nice thing about being god is? You cannot possibly lose! It doesn't matter how mean, nasty, capricious, vile and cruel you are – you can always count on your scared-stiff sycophantic followers letting you off the hook. I read the article an earlier poster linked to and had myself a right good laugh. These people never let you down. I just love the knots they tie themselves into to make it come out right. If this country would put the same level of effort into making it a better place that they put into letting an imaginary dictator off the hook for everything we'd have a paradise to rival the mythical Eden.
For instance:
Quote:" In other words, is it fair for God to condemn people who never had an opportunity to hear the message of Christ?
Often the question is asked as a diversion. It immediately takes away the focus on the person asking the question and shifts a problem back to the Christian.”
You gotta love that one. Right off, it's the non-Xtian's fault for asking. He's being sneaky! You know how those heathens are!

Quote:“Sometimes it's a legitimate question driven by real concern over the nature of God. If He's really all loving, then the fact that He appears to condemn those who have never heard the gospel comes across as harsh, unmerciful and unjust “
Sometimes it's a legitimate question. Huh? It's a question. A question that all should be asking. Don't they want to know what kind of god they are dealing with?

Quote:“A point related to the motivation for the question has to do with truth. Does the question, however it is answered, change whether or not Christianity is true? It doesn't. If God exists and has revealed Himself to us, and if Christ is the only way to God, then the question may puzzle us, but it won't change the truth of the Christian message. “
Like I said, god cannot lose. No matter what. He exists. He has revealed himself and Jesus is the only way to get to him. End of story. The question, no matter how it is answered will not change the truth of that. Do these sheeple ever actually think?

Quote:“everyone has an inherent knowledge of God, that this can be clearly known from creation and that everyone also has a God-given moral compass.
Is it true, then, that "those who have never heard," really have no idea of God's existence or of their moral responsibilities? Biblically speaking, it's not true. "Those who have never heard" have heard something and they do have access to key information about God. They know that God exists, that there is a moral standard and that they have broken this standard.”
Once again he wins every time! See, it's all humanity's fault if they don't believe! They know god exists, so if they don't believe it's their own fault!

Quote:"How could it be fair and just for those who have never even had a chance to hear the gospel, which is necessary for salvation, to be condemned to hell? The question sounds powerful, but behind it lie faulty assumptions." 1
What are these "faulty assumptions"? "The first mistaken assumption," continue Morgan and Peterson, "is that our condemnation is based on a rejection of the gospel. Scripture teaches that our condemnation is based on the fact that we are sinners, not because at some point in time we rejected the gospel … Furthermore, God's wrath is revealed against everyone who suppresses his truth revealed through creation … Strictly speaking, the Bible denies that there are persons who have never heard of God." 2
Morgan and Peterson go on to explain another faulty assumption, this one having to do with "a confusion of justice and mercy." 3 God is merciful in that He has provided a way of salvation via Christ for those who will accept Him. But God is also just in that unrepentance will not go unnoticed.”
What a bunch of crap. First he makes the world. Then he stocks it full of people so they can play scycophantic toadies to him to assuage his tender ego. None of us asked to be here, but we're here anyway. Then he threatens everybody with infinite punishment for finite crimes. Apparently the worst crime of all is to not to do everything just the way he wants you to and be good little xtians. And this is leaving aside the fact that there is no actual worthwhile evidence that he even exists. But I should believe anyway. Because faith is a virtue. No, faith (believing what I have no good reason to believe)is not a virtue. It is foolishness of a very high order.

Quote:“We know that God will deal fairly with those who have not received a direct presentation of the gospel, just as He will deal fairly with those who have. But is God's way too narrow? Far from it. God's way is wide enough for everyone willing to accept it and receive Christ. The most important question any of us can answer is the one Jesus asked his own disciples, "But what about you? Who do you say I am?" (Matthew 16:15; Mark 8:29; Luke 9:20). “
That ends it. Well, as for me what I say is that I don't believe he even existed. If he did he was not divine, but another itinerant preacher. There were many at the time. And as for our friends at focus on the family, your god's way is too narrow because no matter how you try and massage it what it comes down to is his way or else. Why should anyone respond well to that?Indubitably
“To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?”
― Christopher Hitchens

"That fear first created the gods is perhaps as true as anything so brief could be on so great a subject". - George Santayana

"If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed". - George Carlin


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God's Nature and character - by Simon Moon - July 30, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by ShaMan - July 30, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Mudhammam - July 30, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 30, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Simon Moon - July 30, 2014 at 3:33 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 30, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by ShaMan - July 30, 2014 at 3:39 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 30, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 2:45 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Zen Badger - July 31, 2014 at 7:47 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Welsh cake - July 30, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Mudhammam - July 30, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by ignoramus - July 31, 2014 at 12:03 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Minimalist - July 31, 2014 at 1:38 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by CindysRain - July 31, 2014 at 2:31 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 7:26 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Baqal - July 31, 2014 at 7:38 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 7:40 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Baqal - July 31, 2014 at 7:44 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:12 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by CindysRain - July 31, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Drich - July 31, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 8:13 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:29 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 8:30 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 8:32 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:35 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 8:39 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:41 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:14 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:18 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by SteveII - July 31, 2014 at 10:23 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 10:29 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Zen Badger - July 31, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 8:56 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 9:20 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:31 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:44 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:47 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:50 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:51 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:56 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Baqal - July 31, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Baqal - July 31, 2014 at 9:55 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 11:31 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 12:57 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 10:12 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 9:03 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 9:10 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:11 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Dystopia - July 31, 2014 at 9:11 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 9:22 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Dystopia - July 31, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Raven - July 31, 2014 at 9:56 am
RE: God's Nature and character - by Raven - July 31, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Welsh cake - July 31, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by Losty - July 31, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: God's Nature and character - by John V - July 31, 2014 at 2:03 pm

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