God's injustice towards Adam and Eve

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As you shouldn't. Even when we create things, we're working on things already created by god, using abilities given to us by god. Our ownership of what we create doesn't equal god's. Yet, if you build a boat I don't have a right to come and sail it, or if you just string words together and copyright them, I don't have the right to use them for profit.

And as I said to Stat, if you trap me in a cell, you aren't owed rent on my occupancy. What you're describing isn't ownership, it's entrapment.

Well, no, if we're created, we're on a continuum from inanimate objects to different kinds of animals to humans to angels to God.

On earth, we're the sole species possessed of our particular threshold of intelligence and self awareness. We are self determining in a way that other creatures aren't, it's a special quality, one we already realize makes it immoral to own a human being. Now, I know your god is down with slavery, but fiat assertions about that aren't convincing; so far I haven't seen any argument as to why god should own people that aren't references to objects. I've been arguing from the beginning that our capacity for intelligence and self determination requires special consideration, and so far all I've gotten back is "no it doesn't because god owns all objects."

You can contend anything you like. You haven't supported your contention logically.

Human psychology and well being? Our freedom and self determination is sort of core to our identities, you know. I'd remind you that you also have a burden of proof for your positive claim: at least I've tried to shoulder mine.

I agree - God's ownership is much stronger than ours (as noted above), therefore he gets greater ownership rights than we do - and we take ours pretty seriously.

But that's just an assertion, hinging on your flat dismissal of my claim that complex intelligence requires additional consideration, and that you can't own a mind.

I don't find "no, you're wrong," to be compelling, John.