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Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 12:56 pm
(This post was last modified: May 22, 2014 at 12:56 pm by Brakeman.)
Is Eve, from the Adam and Eve story, in hell right now?
She disobeyed god and started the whole sin trend in humans, so did god put her in an everlasting lake of fire?
If she repented, and god forgave and decided that he did want her to live with him forever why did he continue to expel her from his garden and continue to condemn her children?
If she is in hell, does she really deserve it? 6000 years of torture is a pretty stiff sentence served for unwittingly listening to another supreme being that you had no previous reasons to mistrust.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 12:59 pm
Another thing:
Eve is not a believer. If that is a requirement, she is out. She has direct firsthand knowledge of God, therefore, she doesn't believe, she knows.
Considering how touchy god is about everything else, I think that is significant.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 1:05 pm
The idea of a fiery lake didn't really exist in the old testament. It's kind of a problem, saying Jesus is the only way, but waiting thousands upon thousands of years for him to show up and allow people to go to heaven? Also if good people did get to heaven before Jesus came, what was the point of Jesus?
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 1:08 pm
She's a woman that didn't do as she was told so God surely put the smack down to put her in her place.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 1:31 pm
Her punishment, (and apparently every female mammal's punishment) is painful childbirth. Before she ate the apple, vaginas were HUGE.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 1:38 pm
(May 22, 2014 at 12:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Eve is not a believer. If that is a requirement, she is out. She has direct firsthand knowledge of God, therefore, she doesn't believe, she knows. Plato described knowledge as "justified true belief", so that doesn't necessarily rule out the requirement.
Besides, plenty of Christians will argue (wrongly) that they "know" God exists because they have a relationship with him.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 1:49 pm
(May 22, 2014 at 1:08 pm)Elskidor Wrote: She's a woman that didn't do as she was told so God surely put the smack down to put her in her place.
She was lucky she wasn't in Pakistan or god would have beaten her with a stick.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 1:54 pm
(May 22, 2014 at 12:56 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Is Eve, from the Adam and Eve story, in hell right now? That's an interesting question. Presumably --if god is omniscient and understood that mankind might disobey-- he would already have planned out what hell was and what it would be like, so that he could readily poof it into existence as soon as someone broke a rule. Or maybe it was already completed and ready for use, running on a low simmer until it was needed.
Because otherwise the situation seems just outrageously unfair, since it would mean that future generations of humans were handed a seriously raw deal by two people who paid a very light penalty themselves. There's another topic going on about how abortion may be violating the rights of "future people." But abortion is small potatoes compared to a god who condemns the vast majority of "future people" to an eternity of hellfire before the first human blastocyst was even conceived.
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 2:02 pm
Isn't there some bs doctrine about "Abraham's Bosom"?
Line, dead people before Jesus were just chilling, then Jesus went to Hell and busted them out?
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RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 22, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Quote:since it would mean that future generations of humans were handed a seriously raw deal by two people who paid a very light penalty themselves.
I sense the "mysterious ways" bullshit percolating among jesus freaks.
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