Muslim Atheism

[Muslim Atheism]

Now, we are finally getting to it :thinking:

What has been confusing everyone is that you keep saying you are atheist. It is plain now that you are in fact a muslim and are happy as a muslim. Whether or not you actually consider yourself an atheist because of your disbelief in any god is irrelevant (except to yourself) and secondary to what you see as most important, ie following the quran and being a good muslim.

Have I got that about right?

Have you seen any conventional Muslim who practices all religions and believes in all gods ?

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Without prejudice on either side MA, , try to look at this from our point of view.
If you fast, pray five times a day, follow the quran and do everything a muslim does then that makes you a muslim.
As you say, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck , quacks like a duck then it is a duck.

No. . I don't believe the Pillars of Islam.
I don't pray five times a day
I and my family don't fast for the whole month of Ramadhan
I don't pay zakat to the government
I don't believe in pilgrimage , I don't believe in the Kaabah . . .
and I don't believe the shahada is the condition for becoming a Muslim
People can become Muslim even they don't believe in Allah. . .
I don't believe Muslim cannot keep dogs etc. . .
I don't believe in the Hijab, stoning, etc. . .

In summary, I don't believe all the nonsense not from the Quran. . .
and there is no such things in the Muslim Atheism.

I just read the Quran and apply the one that have a rational reason from it.
What's not from the Quran is freedom, do if you like. . leave if you don't like. .
It is spirituality and never unfairly criticize other religions without valid premises, provided always it is just and not an oppression to the public (ie. criminal action)


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In your own mind you may consider your "atheism" (ie disbelief without rebellion) to be an important distinction. There may be some others like you (I read some articles yesterday).

Acceptance of all religions and all gods is the core value to proof that there is "No God" and "No Religion".

• As for those who divide up their deen (دِينَهُمْ) and form into sect/religion (شِيَعًا)
  you have nothing whatsoever to do with them
  6.159
  
  For you is your deen (sectarianism, traits of Atheism and Theism)
  and for me is my deen (unity in diversity and assimilating with all people, one nation)
  (109.6)

One cannot disbelieve in other Gods by creating new God
One cannot disbelieve in other religions by creating new same religion
It is merely repetition and meaningless.

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I think I now understand you much better. However, I do not agree with you.
I disagree on a few points:
Although Unity of the human race and universal brotherhood would be a good thing I don't agree that the only way is through the quran.

It is okay. . other people are free to choose other Books or references.
I have the same believe, but in my case, I follow the Quran merely as the "starting point"
and it ends to follow all religious and non religious books. . . (refer here)


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I don't agree that secularism is a religion.

I didn't say secularism, I say "sectarianism is a religion"

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Also, other types of atheism exist apart from your own; you must accept they are equally valid

Of course, on certain point . . . and this is merely my personal philosophy. . .
not even a religion or denominations

"no sectarianism" and "one nation" is the main theme in this philosophy. . .
accordingly, I must accept all religions and gods. . . etc.

• refusal = sectarian = religion

ie. defeating my main philosophy of "No Religion". . .

Therefore, there is no religion, no community, no group, no leader, no founder, no idols etc. . .
Only the Quran and "One Nation", just vs unjust. . .
and the only possible community is "NGO", ie. for humanity.