(August 8, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Rabb Allah Wrote: People, morals are only valid if they benefit people. If you morals have an exterior standard such as a god they are not morals, they are laws.
If a theists says: "my morals come from god" they are morons. If I command you to help a child it does not make it moral, it just means you were obeying me. The same applies for religious people as theirs "morals" are anything but morals. Morals are only relevant upon other people and can only be formed by individuals were actions are placed amongst each others.
There is no morality involved when forming regulations by laws when you are not a relevant person of a society. Humans have no rights to judge animals the same way that animals have no right to judge humans. The same applies for god.
Considering that we know that no divine being created us it is not ethical for any system of morality to be relevant based on the mandates of a god. That deity is thus lying and the people involved are only being subservient not ethical.
If your morality allegedly comes from god then you are immoral.
Yep.
If a a person follows an edict, because an authority figure claims it is moral, they are not acting as a moral agent. They are merely an order follower.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
