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Science and Religion cannot overlap.
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RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap.
(August 12, 2014 at 3:27 am)Michael Wrote: Hi MM


Hi,

Shakespeare was writing in a time when Jews were viewed suspiciously. It was forbidden, by the first Council of Nicaea, for a Christian to loan money and charge interest, however, it was permissible for Jews to charge interest on loans made to non-Jews. The practical upshot of this was Jews were perceived as money-lenders in Medieval Europe. It probably comes as no surprise the Medieval Jews were viewed in much the same way we view banks today, with a certain measure of mistrust. What Shakespeare captured was not just the perceived sanctimony of Christian doctrine juxtaposed with the less forgiving Jewish doctrine but also the opportunity to support an emerging sense of unity in the face of an obvious foe.

Portia's monologue is as much a political device as it is an expression of Christian forgiveness. Set against the backdrop of inter-faith strife, in the wake of the death of Catholic Queen Mary and the ascension of her Protestant sibling Queen Elizabeth who was determined to set aside the internal strife that was tearing her country in two. Following on from Elizabeth's Act of Unification in 1558 (MoV was written sometime around 1598/99), it was a reflection of the needs of the people, using the existing medieval 'bad guys' to drive home, through the most popular media of the day, a message of Christian unity.

I'm not saying it's not a beautifully written monologue, it is and I'm a huge admirer of Shakespeare's works, but I find it is another example of how external influences trade off the internal contradictions in Christian scripture (as identified by reformists) to create a new, hybrid interpretation that, in an increasingly liberal England, retroactively becomes part of accepted doctrine.

It is quite telling that the inquisition never reached the shores of England - considering it had been set up to specifically rid the Catholic church of reformist movements - meanwhile, the recently unified Christians in England were busy hunting witches to vent their collective spleen. It would be amusing to find a play of the time that expresses concern about witches plotting against a monarch... oh wait.

MM
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Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 8, 2014 at 5:13 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Ryantology - August 8, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 8, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Ryantology - August 8, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 8, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 8, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Ryantology - August 8, 2014 at 5:57 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 8, 2014 at 5:49 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 8, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 8, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Jenny A - August 8, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 9, 2014 at 2:23 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 9, 2014 at 2:33 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by pocaracas - August 9, 2014 at 5:08 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Jenny A - August 9, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 9, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Jenny A - August 9, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by vorlon13 - August 8, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by askmewhy - August 8, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 8, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Jenny A - August 8, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Whateverist - August 8, 2014 at 7:43 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by askmewhy - August 8, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Jenny A - August 8, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by askmewhy - August 8, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Dystopia - August 8, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Minimalist - August 8, 2014 at 8:38 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Whateverist - August 8, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Cato - August 8, 2014 at 9:31 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Cato - August 9, 2014 at 1:40 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 9, 2014 at 1:54 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by psychoslice - August 9, 2014 at 2:26 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 9, 2014 at 4:04 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Dystopia - August 9, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Cato - August 9, 2014 at 2:04 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Anomalocaris - August 9, 2014 at 10:27 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 8, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 9, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Dystopia - August 9, 2014 at 9:54 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Whateverist - August 9, 2014 at 12:46 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by psychoslice - August 9, 2014 at 1:41 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 9, 2014 at 1:48 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by psychoslice - August 9, 2014 at 1:51 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Minimalist - August 9, 2014 at 1:47 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 9, 2014 at 2:52 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 9, 2014 at 4:21 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Polaris - August 9, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 9, 2014 at 2:58 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Polaris - August 9, 2014 at 6:09 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 9, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Whateverist - August 9, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 9, 2014 at 8:19 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Polaris - August 9, 2014 at 8:26 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Whateverist - August 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Mudhammam - August 10, 2014 at 12:32 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by vorlon13 - August 9, 2014 at 6:56 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 10, 2014 at 2:47 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Whateverist - August 11, 2014 at 4:28 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 10, 2014 at 5:59 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 11, 2014 at 3:12 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by pocaracas - August 11, 2014 at 3:51 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 11, 2014 at 4:00 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by pocaracas - August 11, 2014 at 4:50 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 11, 2014 at 5:10 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by pocaracas - August 11, 2014 at 5:27 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by pocaracas - August 11, 2014 at 8:13 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 11, 2014 at 8:00 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Whateverist - August 11, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by ManMachine - August 11, 2014 at 9:47 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Ryantology - August 11, 2014 at 11:06 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by ManMachine - August 11, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 11, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 11, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by ManMachine - August 11, 2014 at 8:19 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 11, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 12, 2014 at 3:27 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by ManMachine - August 12, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by Michael - August 12, 2014 at 6:33 am
RE: Science and Religion cannot overlap. - by bennyboy - August 12, 2014 at 8:17 am

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