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Evolution cannot account for morality
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Evolution cannot account for morality
We cannot get our morality from evolution because evolution does not care about how we treat others. Also, it makes no sense that we have instincts therefore it makes more sense that God wanted us to have instincts. Evolution only starts with life, which makes no sense, it should show how inanimate matter turns into life as well. Also, if evolution has all this power then where does evolution come from?
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
(May 27, 2022 at 11:47 pm)chiknsld Wrote: We cannot get our morality from evolution because evolution does not care about how we treat others.

You're absolutely correct -- "evolution" does not care.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
1. Who gets their morality from a scientific theory? And God doesn't explain anything ever.

2. Abiogenesis and Evolution are two separate theories so evolution doesn't have to explain how life got here only what happens after it starts 

3. WTF does it mean to say evolution has power? what kind of nonsense is that?
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
(May 28, 2022 at 12:18 am)Helios Wrote: 1. Who gets their morality from a scientific theory? And God doesn't explain anything ever.

2. Abiogenesis and Evolution are two separate theories so evolution doesn't have to explain how life got here only what happens after it starts 

3. WTF does it mean to say evolution has power? what kind of nonsense is that?

If you do not get morality from evolution then how does it arise? Is it just a consequence of intelligence? Or are you saying that morality is not real? Also, is intelligence not a consequence of evolution?

So I'm pretty sure that it does not make sense that life evolves only after it starts. Wouldn't it make more sense that it evolved from non-life?

The "power" comes from the statement regarding instincts that you did not respond to. But it's far more than just instincts, but we can at least start with that. Evolution appears to have tremendous power, otherwise how is it possible that life is preprogrammed with instincts? Even the most simple organism such as single-celled, still has a ton of instructions to follow and is more complicated than any computer. Also, if life exists on earth then it exists in the universe and it must have been a possibility before the universe even began and whether or not a universe even exists. This means that life must also be possible when there is only inanimate matter, and therefore life must have some sort of power, at the very least, the power of possibility. Quantum mechanics also believes in the power of possibility.
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
1. Morality is a human construct through its strongly founded on pro-social instincts and traits and yes intelligence is an evolutionary trait. But the way you were phrasing it in your original comment you made it sound as though evolution was some form of prescriptive doctrine. Which it is not.

2. Abiogenesis is a separate process from evolution so yes it makes perfect sense.

3. Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of the universe or life and complexity is simply the gradual development of life from simpler forms. Evolution is some form of god it's simply population mechanics, And cells don't have instructions it's merely chemistry and it's complex because it's had billions of years to develop and countless failed attempts.
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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#6
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
Evolution cannot account for airline food.  What's up with that?
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#7
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
A lot of stuff does not make sense to you, therefore........ You should learn more, instead of going to AF and parading around your ignorance.
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#8
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
Since we are counting, how many moral are we lining up?
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
(May 27, 2022 at 11:47 pm)chiknsld Wrote: We cannot get our morality from evolution because evolution does not care about how we treat others.

Considering that our existence depends on how we treat each other means that our morality did go through natural selection - evolved.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
Humans evolved as a social species.

Morality evolved from protecting the family unit/the group/the tribe.

If you think morality comes from the Abrahamic deity, I suggest reading the bible again and more thoroughly.
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