RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 2, 2010 at 3:14 am
(This post was last modified: June 2, 2010 at 3:17 am by Violet.)
(June 1, 2010 at 10:27 pm)aufis Wrote: @SAE -
"Science has nothing to do with a things status as an atheist..."
isn't it science proves?? science give facts??? and that make an atheist(my opinion coz i don't know how to be an atheist). and much more.., isn't it atheist only accept facts proved by science???
Think about it this way:
Theism is the belief in a god (or gods). Atheism is no belief in a god (or gods). Therefore: anything that does not have a belief in a god (or gods) is an atheist, by definition. What this means... is that every rock, tree, left ankle, toy soldier, and planet is an atheist. Scientific knowledge is utterly irrelevant (except perhaps if it is directly responsible for changing a belief in a god or gods into a lack of one).
Quote:"This is true. One easy example: have you ever been high? I hear it feels downright religiously insane "
soo... we can conclude that our experience shall not be cited as reference for an argument right??
That would be wise. However, I meant to suggest only the subjective nature of existence

Quote:"??? What are you saying?"
I am sorry i meant "he gives me much logic than facts..."
Did you perhaps mean "He gives me more logical reasons why he does not believe than he does facts", or something similar? I think that more context regarding the issue should be helpful

Quote:Philosophy is a branch of science, isn't it??
Again... it is only so if you have defined both so as to make it true. It is not necessarily a science under some definitions... whereas under other is utterly different... whereas in others it is necessarily a science.


Quote:sooo..., which is much better to deal with...
facts?? or logic???
That depends on what you mean by 'deal with', and from then in which context?

(June 1, 2010 at 11:56 pm)aufis Wrote: T.T no one understands me....
I do understand you to an extent... but then I am sometimes called 'no one'

Your english can be a little difficult at times, but I can usually pull through what you mean (or at least a legible sentence from what you write) ^_^
(June 2, 2010 at 2:41 am)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote: you don't need to 'only believe in facts proved by science' to be an atheist. becoming atheist may arise from the simple question "if everything requires a creator, who created god?"
Or even from a lack of questions. Anything that does not hold a belief in a god (or gods) is necessarily an atheist by the definition that an atheist is a lack of a belief in a god or gods

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