(August 17, 2014 at 2:47 am)bennyboy Wrote:(August 17, 2014 at 2:05 am)FallentoReason Wrote: They are all describing different things, but touching the same elephant.The question is whether each religion starts with a genuine religious experience, and the experiencer struggles to find metaphor to describe the experience, or not.
Except, if we go into more detail with different religions, we in fact find that someone is touching and describing an elephant, while another describes what sounds like a tiger.
There's way too many claims being made that are mutually exclusive. A simple example is Christianity saying God can be human (aka Jesus) while Islam holds that God could never do that.
"I'm touching big hoofs"
"Yeah, well I'm touching claws"
I think for the most part, religion is rooted in such an experience by one person (the Buddha would be a good example), and such an attempt, combined with a kind of transmission by guided emulation: "If you do X, you will experience Y, and then you will fully understand metaphor Z." However, as a religion grows, you'll hit a critical mass where most people have NOT done behavior X, have NOT experienced Y, and do NOT experience metaphor Z. Instead, the spiritual tradition gets usurped by power-seekers and snake-oil vendors.
Now, does that original experience represent actual contact with the divine? I don't know; I wouldn't even be able to define things well enough to form an opinion. However, I suspect that the type of experience at the root of most spiritual traditions is similar rather than dissimilar, and that it is intrinsic to the human experience.
Unfortunately, the things we have experienced are by default a private matter. But what we can do is try and piece together the accounts religious people give in order to get a clearer picture, kind of like getting statements from witnesses after a crime. And as far as I can tell, that picture isn't coherent at all, which is unusual because in every other aspect of life we can usually come to an agreement (otherwise, think of what a mess it would be if couldn't do this: we wouldn't be able to coherently discuss e.g. the football match we both just watched if we can't agree on what we experienced). Therefore, it seems like there actually isn't anything to be reported, and that these experiences were mistaken for something else.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle