(June 3, 2010 at 12:36 pm)theophilus Wrote: It was the Declaration which gave us our freedom to establish a government and many of the same people were involved with writing both documents. The actions of the government after the Constitution came into effect show that they believed that we were founded on a belief in God.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the war did that. The document was just a rallying cry, and more importantly, NOT the basis of our government.
(June 3, 2010 at 12:36 pm)theophilus Wrote: But it still assumed that people would want to worship God.
Not it doesn't, it says Government shall make no law regarding religion or the practice of it. Nowhere does it suggest that every citizen believes in God. You're reading a bit too much into it, buddy.
(June 3, 2010 at 12:36 pm)theophilus Wrote: That is exactly what I said in my post. But it doesn't contradict my statement that this country was founded on the belief that there is a God.
And yet you haven't backed it up. Best you can do is a colonial document. The constitution states in the preamble that it is a Government by the people. Nowhere does it state that it is based on theism.
(June 3, 2010 at 12:36 pm)theophilus Wrote: If the government isn't allowed to have a national day of prayer because some of its citizens are atheists, isn't that in effect making atheism an official religion?
Ha ha, nice one.
If I hold up a piece of blank paper, is that paper an atheist paper? Atheism is not a religion, it's a response to a question. I'm not demanding atheism in our government, I'm demanding secularism. Let people be free to worship or not worship as they see fit, Government should not have any say in that.
(June 3, 2010 at 12:36 pm)theophilus Wrote: There have been a lot of bad laws connected with marriage but that doesn't change the fact that marriage has always been a relationship between a man and a woman.
Nope. A lot of times marriage is between a man and a woman, and another woman, and another woman. Besides, marriage exists now in my State. Guess what? God hasn't struck us down. The marriage of a man and a woman is not devalued because now two of my female friends are married. It's a commitment between two people, and gays can be just as committed as straights. Your tradition argument has no fucking merit. If it can be changed before, it can be changed again.
You're basically saying that there has to be a penis and vagina for marriage to be valued. Doesn't matter how in love they are, how committed they are, how their personality meshes, what they do for each other. Nope, one has to have a penis and one has to have a vagina, that's the only thing that makes a marriage valid. Bull fucking shit.
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