Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: March 27, 2025, 1:20 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Something For Jesus Freaks to Get Their Knickers In A Twist About
#2
RE: Something For Jesus Freaks to Get Their Knickers In A Twist About
(August 23, 2014 at 1:49 am)Minimalist Wrote: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/on-the-h...909697492r

Quote:The assumption that Jesus existed as a historical person has occasionally been questioned in the course of the last hundred years or so, but any doubts that have been raised have usually been put to rest in favor of imagining a blend of the historical, the mythical and the theological in the surviving records of Jesus.

Carrier re-examines the whole question and finds compelling reasons to suspect the more daring assumption is correct. He lays out extensive research on the evidence for Jesus and the origins of Christianity and poses the key questions that must now be answered if the historicity of Jesus is to survive as a dominant paradigm.

Carrier contrasts the most credible reconstruction of a historical Jesus with the most credible theory of Christian origins if a historical Jesus did not exist. Such a theory would posit that the Jesus figure was originally conceived of as a celestial being known only through private revelations and hidden messages in scripture; then stories placing this being in earth history were crafted to communicate the claims of the gospel allegorically; such stories eventually came to be believed or promoted in the struggle for control of the Christian churches that survived the tribulations of the first century.

Carrier finds the latter theory more credible than has been previously imagined. He explains why it offers a better explanation for all the disparate evidence surviving from the first two centuries of the Christian era. He argues that we need a more careful and robust theory of cultural syncretism between Jewish theology and politics of the second-temple period and the most popular features of pagan religion and philosophy of the time.

For anyone intent on defending a historical Jesus, this is the book to challenge.

This just moved to the top of my reading list.


Yeah, this sounds like a good read.

It is not meant to be a popular book. It is a serious scholarly book that is being submitted for peer review.

It is over 700 pages, heavily footnoted.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Something For Jesus Freaks to Get Their Knickers In A Twist About - by Simon Moon - August 23, 2014 at 9:44 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Atheist, i will leave my religion to mysif you let transsexuals leave their ideology Rihehd 19 335 March 25, 2025 at 9:19 am
Last Post: Belacqua
  Is PeTA atheist or something of a humanist? BananaFlambe 11 1592 December 4, 2023 at 4:38 pm
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  why do people still have faith in god even after seeing their land turned into dust? zempo 8 1864 June 20, 2021 at 8:16 am
Last Post: onlinebiker
  How to beat a presupp at their own game Superjock 150 17607 April 16, 2021 at 4:05 pm
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Maybe there's something like a god out there. Ryantology 38 4405 June 5, 2020 at 8:42 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Miracles and their place, and Atheists. Mystic 35 5804 October 4, 2018 at 3:53 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Famous people losing their religion: stories Fake Messiah 14 3386 May 21, 2018 at 10:13 am
Last Post: Clueless Morgan
  Even in darkest times here is something that made me smile dyresand 3 2174 May 17, 2017 at 10:01 am
Last Post: Anomalocaris
  Why there is something rather than nothing... Jehanne 43 9816 August 28, 2016 at 1:19 am
Last Post: Arkilogue
  Why people afraid to ask questions about their beliefs? Torin 21 5361 August 13, 2016 at 1:08 am
Last Post: robvalue



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)