(June 5, 2010 at 7:46 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: 1. I wasn't referring to Spinoza, but to your usual spin.Exactly, so I pointed out that the spin you seem to perceive isn't there since I stated historical fact. Just read Spinoza.
(June 5, 2010 at 7:46 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: 2. a. It would be illogical if it could be evidencedThat's an illogic statement in itself and a rather hilarious one. There is no rule of logic that prohibits evidence for a framework of truth statements within that logic, it's a rule invented by religion, more specifically your personal take on religion. There are clear examples of evidential frameworks that are not illogic, science being the most obvious one and a rather succesfull one. Contrary to religion, science does have explanantory and predictive power. Religion as the body of illogic that is so clearly demonstrated by this assertion of you, cannot even begin to make meaning of it's own ass.
(June 5, 2010 at 7:46 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: & b. No one is suggesting that there are elements of nature beyond natureOne clearly does so when one states that on the one hand "god is nature" and on the other hand that god is a personal god and a sentient agent ruling the universe, since observation of nature does not involve these alleged phenomena.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0