RE: Evidence for God being "a superior being" ?
June 11, 2010 at 8:43 am
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2010 at 8:45 am by tavarish.)
(June 10, 2010 at 7:40 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So God is not understandable because he says he is LOL
Humans had to work out what God is. Start from anywhere and you pretty quickly come to the conclusion that you can't know everything. God, to be God, has to be bigger. As humans we are only able to think of God in human terms. God is bigger than that of course, so we think we can give him some of our attributes that we could see fitting with a divine nature.
God can't lie. It isn't in our logical construct of him. & we can know for sure that our logical construct of 'God' is perfect. If it isn't, we need to improve it.
I'll entertain this for a second, for the sake of argument.
Not only are his attributes made up by humans, he has things he can't do, but can create beings who can.
Let's think about that for a second.
An all-powerful being can't do something because he is subject to and bound by a nature, but he can make something NOT bound by that same nature (not being able to lie). How does that make any sense...at all?
It's like saying "God can do anything except for the infinite amount of things outside his nature". Hardly something you want to assert about an infinite being.
(June 11, 2010 at 7:29 am)Rwandrall Wrote:(June 11, 2010 at 6:00 am)tackattack Wrote: True, but as far as we are concerned there is free will, and we are held liable to those actions since we're not a)eternal or b)omnipotent. Our perspective, for now, is the best we have to go off of until we find sentient life or AI.
I can see your point about the personificaions and I agree that the concept of God is a man-made concept. Just as the concept of black or chair is a man made concept. One is materialistic by nature another is not. I do actually believe that God's Love isn't a man made construct other than our interpretation of it. It's listed as an attributable noun in the Bible, "God is Love" . The parts where the Bible says God loves you or God is a loving God I dismiss as much as I do any other personification by adjective not proper identifier. I think our understanding of God has progreesed over years, albeit slowly and with the help of the scientific process. Using science to find "God" I believe Fr0d0 would say is an idotic excercise, but I think the scientific process can be useful in our approach to how God interacts wih the physical universe as we know it and helps define our ocncept of God.
Yes the choice is still ours. Your statement would be valid if God had no control over our choices, however he made us that way. He created us as sinners, knows when and how we will sin, and then condemns us to Hell when we sin ? this is sadistic, illogical, and certainly not what i would call "love".
Also, the concept of God is nothing like "black" or "chair". These are concepts that everyone can understand. You can ask two people with completely opposite views on every subject and they would still agree on what black or a chair is. What you describe is unique to you and many theists i know would disagree with your perception of God.
One problem with God is that there is absolutely no consensus on the term. It means different things to different people, which is understandable when you put it into the context that he is only a concept.
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