(June 10, 2010 at 8:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Completely the opposite. God was and is a pure concept.No sir, there is no such thing as a "pure concept", whether you apply it to supernatural god(s), vampires, ghosts or anything else for that matter.
You seem to view it as something greater but the opposite of a mental concept or idea is an empirical object/entity that is demonstrable, something that actually exists and, this is your stumbling block here, can be demonstrated to exist. The mental conceptualisation of god like anything that exists only within the mind, without a material or physical object in reality to correlate to, is merely abstraction; therefore God is an abstract concept, not a "pure concept".
fr0d0 Wrote:Fools came along thinking that science offered the same explanations when in reality it was a different subject. some people still hold on to such stupid notions. Only idiots replace God with Science, and vice versa.But I guess that's why many wise theists often substitute the label "god" for the universe huh? The god/creator idea is an attempt to explain reality. It proposes a deity either intentionally/unintentionally created the universe as we know it. Science is humanity's tireless endeavour to gather knowledge and investigate reality which by corollary considers god and other logically impossible/unknowable products of myth to be utterly irrelevant in that context since there is no empirical evidence for it.
(June 11, 2010 at 6:00 am)tackattack Wrote: I do actually believe that God's Love isn't a man made construct other than our interpretation of it. It's listed as an attributable noun in the Bible, "God is Love" . The parts where the Bible says God loves you or God is a loving God I dismiss as much as I do any other personification by adjective not proper identifier.You might want to reword your entire response here because that's a terrible analogy tack. You hold a position that god can be viewed as a man-made concept yet somehow his love isn't? You do realise that love is an abstract concept as well right?
tackattack Wrote:I think our understanding of God has progreesed over years, albeit slowly and with the help of the scientific process. Using science to find "God" I believe Fr0d0 would say is an idotic excercise, but I think the scientific process can be useful in our approach to how God interacts wih the physical universe as we know it and helps define our ocncept of God.Except the scientific method thrives on skepticism and new ways of thinking - religious beliefs crumble under any moderate scrutiny, and no, fr0d0 mentioned nothing about scientific study being applied to identify a god/deity existing, he stated that science doesn't hold the same kind of explanatory power as sky daddy does, which I would agree with. ^^
