RE: Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?
September 11, 2014 at 8:38 am
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2014 at 8:55 am by Greatest I am.)
(September 10, 2014 at 3:32 pm)KUSA Wrote: Why was either one of them punished when they didn't know good from bad until they did something bad?
Point noted. A Christian will just tell you they disobeyed but as you can see, Eve was not charged with that. Only with being deceived.
Adam disobeyed yet Eve took the most heat.
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DL
(September 10, 2014 at 3:21 pm)Cato Wrote: Can we just skip ahead to the bit where you tell us yet again that the ideal model for husband/wife relations is patriarchy based on your desire to implement the law of the sea on land as an unsubstantiated categorical imperative? We don't need to meander through Genesis to get there.
Low attention span I see.
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DL
(September 10, 2014 at 3:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Why does anyone fall for blind obedience at all? In the story neither Adam or Eve had any say in how the game was set up. God also didn't need their consent to set up the rules. In reality we would never tolerate an immovable leader and we also have the opportunity to change laws we do not like.
Yet the religious still make noise about putting their draconian laws into place. A product of brainwashing and indoctrination into calling evil good.
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DL
(September 10, 2014 at 11:21 pm)Drich Wrote: In short woma/Eve was deceived when the serpent told her if she ate of the fruit she would not die. She ate, and noted she did not die. So she took this information and taught/imparted it to Adam. For this, transgression women are not to teach, in Paul's message to Timothy.
That is like us not rewarding whistle blowers and letting their industry black ball them.
How typical of man.
Any idea why we do not support whistle blowers better? Do we actually dislike them and think of them as traitors?
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DL
(September 11, 2014 at 12:18 am)Natachan Wrote: Women are weak and stupid. They don't have souls like men do.
The men who wrote the bible were heavily invested in a patriarchal system. They wanted a book that reflected that. So when they were coming up with the word of god these views colored their writing.
True that religions are a reflection of the people of that society. We create our Gods to hate everyone we do.
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DL
(September 11, 2014 at 12:54 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(September 10, 2014 at 3:11 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
I think that Adam, not being deceived, was more culpable than Eve.
Why then did God favor the guiltiest, Adam, with, --- he shall rule over you?
Men rule over women? Why when men were not deceived but disobeyed?
What was the transgression, --- if not a wise decision to choose knowledge and wisdom and shun immortality of the flesh, --- even if that were possible, --- and why was Adan not punished as hard as Eve when he was clearly more guilty?
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DL
Why was every single member of the human race born subsequent to Adam and Eve doomed to death for their alleged failings?
That is much more pertinent to me.
Tradition and a guilt producing technique to keep the sheep with their hand in their open wallets.
They go against their own WORD and do not care.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
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DL
(September 11, 2014 at 1:58 am)psychoslice Wrote: Well Adam was tempted by Eve, men do anything for women, he got caught out, because of this he should from there on keep a good eye on her, and don't be tempted by her ever again. Women think more with their emotions, where as men think more with their mind, and yes with their penis, because emotions can get in the way of our wisdom of what is right and wrong, the man needs to use his mind or thinking to question if its right or wrong to do so. So we really need a balance between the man and women, one not being more than the other, but in harmony, this will bring about a much better outcome which will benefit all.
We all know this.
It is the changing of our thinking that we need solutions for.
Many preach it but few are listening.
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DL
