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Are We Living In God's "Matrix"?
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RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"?
(September 11, 2014 at 12:42 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: "The atheist perspective isn't any more absolute than the theist perspective. Most atheists (like me) are agnostic atheists. We simply don't believe in claims like intelligent design and gods because there is no evidence for them. We are not sure that they don't exist. Show us the evidence and we'll believe. Knowledge is not a matter of pride."

I'm curious what types of evidence would be necessary to influence your 100% certainty there is no intelligence to the design of reality? I mean, simply the fact that intelligent life exists seems to imply we are experiencing more than just random, chaotic matter flying around in space. But that's just my opinion...

I'm curious what types of armor-piercing sentences would be necessary to influence your 100% certainty that we're not 100% certain about that?

I mean, simply the fact that he said "We are not sure that they don't exist" seems to imply that he is not 100% certain.

'Random, chaotic matter flying around in space' doesn't seem to be a very adequate description of our state of affairs, but you're clearly 100% certain it's what we think.

But that's just my opinion.

(September 11, 2014 at 1:46 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote:
(September 11, 2014 at 1:13 pm)DramaQueen Wrote: An absolute belief that a god doesn't exist is too broad.
What does god even mean?

I know that Allah as described by the quran isn't real though.

I have been intensely researching the astrophysics, quantum physics and epigenetics and I'm finding evidence that is making me veer further away from atheism. I am looking to others that may have knowledge (or be interested in viewing my sources) and give their opinion.

My opinion is that you should go ahead and be a theist already, then you can believe what you already want to believe without jumping through all these hoops.

(September 11, 2014 at 1:46 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: I am able to fully form my own opinion, only when it's challenged. So far, few people are challenging what I have to say and are simply calling me an idiot. Not helpful.

I have a feeling the number of times you're called an 'idiot' will be proportionate to the number of times you demonstrate that you are unable to process what we say to you.

(September 11, 2014 at 1:46 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: Neil Degrasse Tyson has a lot of resources out there that have made me question. Astrophysics (I mean "dark matter and energy"?), Quantum Physics (Whaaa...), and Epigenetics (our genes are influenced by WHAT?)

Watching too much Cosmos? Consider that NDT is not reaching the same conclusions from the information that he is providing that you are.

(September 11, 2014 at 1:46 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: I'm interested in others opinions and (if they're aware of what these sciences are saying) how they are still holding to an absolute atheist position.

When you call our position 'absolutist' after being told multiple times in multiple ways that it's not, we can only conclude that you're NOT interested in our opinions...OR, that you're an idiot.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by downbeatplumb - September 11, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2014 at 12:22 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Lucanus - September 11, 2014 at 12:35 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 11, 2014 at 12:46 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Simon Moon - September 11, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Mister Agenda - September 11, 2014 at 5:23 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by tjakey - September 11, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Simon Moon - September 11, 2014 at 12:38 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by downbeatplumb - September 11, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by ShaMan - September 11, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Alex K - September 11, 2014 at 5:33 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by paulpablo - September 12, 2014 at 1:52 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 12, 2014 at 2:04 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by paulpablo - September 12, 2014 at 2:16 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Tonus - September 12, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by dissily mordentroge - September 12, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Tobie - September 12, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by fr0d0 - September 12, 2014 at 6:00 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by dissily mordentroge - September 13, 2014 at 7:17 am
Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Bibliofagus - September 11, 2014 at 12:30 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 12:35 pm
Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Bibliofagus - September 11, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by JesusHChrist - September 11, 2014 at 12:44 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Lucanus - September 11, 2014 at 12:48 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by vorlon13 - September 11, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by DramaQueen - September 11, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Simon Moon - September 11, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 2:08 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Simon Moon - September 11, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Cato - September 11, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by JesusHChrist - September 11, 2014 at 2:12 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by ShaMan - September 11, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by FatAndFaithless - September 11, 2014 at 3:09 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Cato - September 11, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Esquilax - September 11, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by JesusHChrist - September 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by DramaQueen - September 11, 2014 at 2:26 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by rexbeccarox - September 11, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by FatAndFaithless - September 11, 2014 at 3:34 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by FatAndFaithless - September 11, 2014 at 3:56 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Esquilax - September 11, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Cato - September 11, 2014 at 4:48 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Cato - September 11, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 9:20 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 11, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by bennyboy - September 12, 2014 at 12:08 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 12, 2014 at 12:24 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by ManMachine - September 11, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by The Valkyrie - September 11, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by ManMachine - September 11, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by The Valkyrie - September 11, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by JesusHChrist - September 11, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Mister Agenda - September 11, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Exian - September 11, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by fr0d0 - September 11, 2014 at 6:14 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Chas - September 12, 2014 at 10:13 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 12, 2014 at 10:33 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Chas - September 15, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by dissily mordentroge - September 15, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Chas - September 15, 2014 at 4:47 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 15, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Whateverist - September 20, 2014 at 3:58 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by bennyboy - September 11, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by bennyboy - September 12, 2014 at 12:49 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 12, 2014 at 1:06 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by fr0d0 - September 12, 2014 at 5:01 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by bennyboy - September 12, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 12, 2014 at 9:39 am
Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Bibliofagus - September 12, 2014 at 1:23 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 12, 2014 at 1:44 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by paulpablo - September 12, 2014 at 1:44 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Cyberman - September 12, 2014 at 2:14 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by dissily mordentroge - September 12, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by bennyboy - September 12, 2014 at 9:50 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by dissily mordentroge - September 12, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 12, 2014 at 10:26 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by fr0d0 - September 12, 2014 at 9:49 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Anomalocaris - September 12, 2014 at 10:08 am
Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Bibliofagus - September 12, 2014 at 10:30 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Whateverist - September 12, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by JesusHChrist - September 12, 2014 at 10:56 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 12, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Cyberman - September 12, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by JesusHChrist - September 12, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by fr0d0 - September 13, 2014 at 7:23 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by dissily mordentroge - September 13, 2014 at 7:41 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by sswhateverlove - September 14, 2014 at 9:27 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Whateverist - September 19, 2014 at 8:45 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2014 at 8:51 pm
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2014 at 5:48 am
RE: Are We Living In God's "Matrix"? - by Cyberman - September 20, 2014 at 4:03 pm

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