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(June 11, 2010 at 8:43 am)tavarish Wrote: One problem with God is that there is absolutely no consensus on the term. It means different things to different people, which is understandable when you put it into the context that he is only a concept.
(June 12, 2010 at 1:22 am)tackattack Wrote: Or in the context that he is omnipresent and exists outside the rules of the known universe.
That's very incoherent. Is there anything about God's existence that distinguishes him from being non-existent?
tav Wrote:1. What is your account for why God has a nature?
2. Can God go against that nature?
3. Why is God's will effective rather than ineffective?
4. How can an infinitely powerful being (i.e. the Christian God) have things he cannot do?
(June 12, 2010 at 1:22 am)tackattack Wrote: 1- He doesn’t necessarily have to have a nature, but due to his observability in this universe he therefore has some sort of nature that’s observable.
2- I suppose he could… It depends.. Can you be anyone other than you? It would be possible I’m guessing, but holds no weight because any deviation from one’s nature is a temporary and unnatural state.
3- Could you please rephrase I’m not getting it, (Sorry I’m tired)
4- I don’t see anything he can’t do. Some things are outside of his nature to do (like affect free will), but nothing prevents him from doing anything due his omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscience. Basically the only thing that limits God is God.
1. You didn't answer my question. I asked you why God has a nature, not if he HAS to have a nature. Why does God have a particular nature instead of no nature or a different nature?
2. First, I'm not alleging that I'm the author of my being, or the author of the natural laws I'm bound by. I'm a finite being, which isn't a good analogy. I'm asking if God can do things like lie and create a squared circle, and if not, why not?
3. What constructs have to be in place in order for a being such as God to have an effective will rather than an ineffective will? It is assumed God is the creator, but why is this so?
4. So why is he bound by a nature if there isn't anything he can't do?
(June 12, 2010 at 1:09 pm)tavarish Wrote: It's quite odd to me how many people think blood sacrifice is a noble and divine thing.
Is there anything about God's existence that distinguishes him from being non-existent? Not that I can currently measure.
1- Why does God have one nature as opposed to another nature or anything nature at all? As an entity it's defined by having a definite, individual existence and is real in itself. Surely God believes God is real.
2- I suppose God could lie or create a square circle, yes.
3a-I'm tired you're going to have to define "effective will" and "ineffective will" for me please.
3b-The Judeo God is considered the creator because design is seen in nature and the Bible states he created.
4-I don't think God is bound by the "laws of nature" but bound by his nature as an entity, you're confusing the definition.
(June 12, 2010 at 12:49 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:
(June 12, 2010 at 1:22 am)tackattack Wrote: Perhaps that was poorly worded, thanks! God’s Love is a separate concept to that of the human emotion love was my point. Also that it is an identifier of God’s nature. It’s also axiomatically and unforeseeably unobtainable.
If god's love is not literally the same concept as "love" then why call it love in the first place?
tackattack Wrote:God is not ok letting a vast portion "go to hell", he proved it by sacrificing his son for all of us.
Do you even realise just how phenomenally disturbing that sounds? All that killing your only child through neglect accomplishes to any sane third party, is not admiration or reverence, but the apprehension of how much of a sick and twisted individual you are. Face facts - the god of the bible is no 'superior' being, he needs psychiatric help.
It's shorter than an explicative definition and similar to love if love had an absolute moral true.
You're still not changing your perspective. I'll use my hillbilly speak for this. God's chilling up in heaven saying "these idiots just don't get it and I've done the flood thing already." He decides to take a part of himself and make a son who wants to help humans learn about God. God knows that his son will be seen as crazy and be tortured and killed. He'll have to experience the limiting of human emotions and mortality and be confined to a body as opposed to transcended. Jesus agrees to do this for our benefit and dies. Goes back to heaven to describe the limiting effect being mortal is to God and God says ," well we'll be back in a few millennium, and if they haven't got it by then , they're gonna have to fend for themselves."
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