Evidence for God being "a superior being" ?

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God only has a specific nature because we worked it out. If you sat down and worked it out, you would have to reach the same conclusions.

You're still not understanding. Why do we consider certain attributes over others?

We consider everything. We apply what fits.

And I disagree. I'd reach the conclusion that an entity that cannot be demonstrably distinguished from being non-existent is most likely a fabrication of the person asserting it. Also, the sheer fact that your claim that "You would have to reach the same conclusions" is demonstrably false. Look at all the religions and denominations in the world, there is no consensus on the definition of what God is specifically.

No you wouldn't because you couldn't. I'd very easily dispose of your idea. Same with any wildly illogical statement. What you have with a coherent and logical God model is something you can't dismiss. I'd disagree that there isn't a consensus. Show me any actual Christian definition and I'm sure I'd agree with it. Same goes for any mature consideration of god (mature conforming to the intellectually coherent).

Creation is destructive? I can't see how you could possibly justify that. I'm going to need to to provide a logical example that equates with creation in the sense of God creating the universe.

I'd say as far as positive and negative energy is concerned, the universe is a system with a net energy of zero. Just as many positive "forces" there are acting in it, there are negative ones acting just as well. I think you're referring to positive force as being "good", but that's not what I meant at all, nor did I say creation was destructive.

Destructive/ negative. Given creation adds then the balance that takes away is anti God. Positive is good.

God isn't a God of chaos.

And why isn't he?

Because God as creator observably made order. To make chaos would be the opposite. Evidentially we have a God of creation & not destruction. God, again, is unrestricted and can do as he wants. In this reality, we observe order.

It's part of his nature that WE define. It follows logically when you think about what God is. A God of chaos would be anti God. (I've covered all this before with you so forgive me for not going into detail again)

OK. Since there is no consensus on the term "God" and his necessary attributes and motives, I'm afraid you're going to have to explain this one.

I can't see how it's possible to deviate from the consensus. It's how I'm arguing with you : because I have a coherent model and so does every other religious person that argues this model.

Not really. Creation is part of the subject, as geometry is to Math.

I'll plug in your example. Geometry is math because Geometry fits with the idea that Geometry is math.

Is that any clearer?

So you're saying there's no problem with creation being to God what geometry is to Math? We're in agreement then?

He didn't 'conform' to anything. This just is him. We worked out what he can be, he didn't. If he did "anything" then he wouldn't be God. We have other names for that.

1. Why does he have these attributes? You didn't answer my question. You just said "well he wouldn't be God if he didn't have these traits", but it's not getting to what I'm asking of you.

You misquoted me unfairly there. He has these attributes because we have worked out that we can logically apply them.

I ask "Why does an orange have orange skin?"
You say "well, it wouldn't be an orange if it didn't have orange skin"

Being a physical object with known causes, we can give evidential proofs as to the formation of the orange colouring.

In the static model of God, we can demonstrate logical progression to each attribute similarly.

2. How do you work out the intentions of an entity of which you can't establish its existence?

From the logically deducible from evidence. Establishing existence is contrary to the logical model, and would be contradictory to the model.

3. Given that there are certain criteria for God, is there anything that can happen that would convince you that there is no God in control of all this? I'm talking about an event so unlike his nature that it would negate your version of his alleged attributes.

I don't see how. Belief isn't external but internal. At any point I could decide not to believe which would be extremely minor in comparison, but fundamentally crucial to my world view.