RE: Evidence for God being "a superior being" ?
June 14, 2010 at 2:29 pm
(This post was last modified: June 14, 2010 at 2:30 pm by tackattack.)
(June 13, 2010 at 1:04 am)tavarish Wrote:1- By the very definition of the word entity, all entities must have a definite, individual existence and is real in itself. The definition of personal nature is a set of inherit characteristics. If God is an entity and a consciousness then he has a self-identity and thus would have a nature. Is the nature I espouse 100% correct? I have no clue, it's a presumptions based on what little I observe, but a nature none-the-less.
2- Because it isn't in his nature or character. Why would he build laws and rules and then go break them.. is your presumption of his malevolence transparent yet.
3a- OK I think I understand the question now. I believe God has an effective will. You're asking what has to be in place for this to be so? Well I would guess logically that he would have to have somewhere and somehow to effect. Within the laws of the known universe he would also have to have something to create from (matter or energy). Is that what you're talking about?
3b- If you want a more generic answer. In the context of a creator, one can either create from inside and allow to grow outside your control or from outside and maintain that perspective. Since the topic of creation is chronologically prior to the creation of causality, the latter is logically the likely case. The most common concept for a creator is to call it god. The concept has evolved over the centuries and different sects of different religions attribute certain abilities and things to it and sometimes diversify it's attributes to multiple deities. As long as there is a question as to the how and why things got started, there will be a creator concept.
4- Just as the self has a nature, anything with a self-identity has a nature of who they are. Regardless of the effective power of said entity, it can't be anything other than what it is without denying self. An ant can only be an ant, A person can only be a person, etc.
(June 13, 2010 at 5:35 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:1-love = a conditional and mercurial intense affection for another person based on familial or personal ties
God's Love = unconditional and self sacrificing-patience, kindness, truth seeking. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It's not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs and it never fails. Always seeks the best interests and a closeness with those who accept that love.
2- What you didn't like the abridged version? Well what I was pointing out was that it wasn't through neglect . It was intentional.. God thought eternity was important enough to let us know about it, by sending a part of himself to suffer human intolerance, ignorance and hatred and then die horribly for the glimmer of hope that mankind would listen. In the end, from an omnificent perspective, it will be worth it.
(June 13, 2010 at 7:19 pm)padraic Wrote:My answering of your questions is neither 'specious' nor 'deceptive' nor do I stand to gain anything from sharing with you my interpretation. You labeling of sophist doesn't stand in my book. Predestination only abrogates free will when the perspectives are equal, which I've said they're not. I would never say it's a mystery of faith, that's ridonculous (intentional sp?).
Knowing and actions aren't the same at all, do you deny that? That's why theism is a choice as opposed to atheism. You can choose to believe in something either splendid or horrible after you die, or be left with a null stance. How exactly is it coercion or bullying? If I told you it was raining outside and you didn't believe me and went outside and got wet, then decided to stay outside because you denied the rain would you say I coerced/bullied you into going outside by the mere fact you're by nature impetuous and willful (not anyone specifically just a question)?
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